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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCity Council Minutes 04-29-1969 Specialu SPECIAL PLYMOUTH VILLAGE COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION JOINT MEETING PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA April 29, 1969 A joint meeting of the Plymouth Village Council and Planning Commission was held April 29, 1969 in the Plymouth Fire Sta- tion, The meeting was called to order at 7:40 P.M, Present: Myor Hilde, Councilmen Johnson, Humphrey, Hintz and Kindseth, Administrator Splinter, Planning Commission Chairman Ed Egan, Commissioners Prek- ker, Pollock and Chapman, and Planner Sohn Becgly and Howard Dahlgren of Midwest Planners, Mayor Hilde stated in part that the purpose of this meeting is to cc.mplete discussions on the guide plan for East Medi- cine Lake Boulevard, and study and review results of the public hearing held Aprit 22nd for the Central Planning Study , Adminiatrator Splinter read the minutes of the April 14th joint meeting. Councilmen had walked the area starting at 26th Avenue North up to the intersection of 26th and County Road #18, They took note of the rundc;wn areas and good homes and open space sites that could accomodate nice homes in the future, In the area of East Medicine Lake Boulevard and Pil- grim Lane the junk and litter ordinance should be enforced as well as removal of unsightly shacks. South of 26th there are srvne half dozen good homes. More nice homes could be built in here with multiples such size that `he lake view would not be obstructed. From here south to 17th Avcknue they felt should remain as is, A discussion was held on the free park area, best land use with regard to multiples and consideration of the vi:lues to the homeowners in this area, 4, RE: EA CT MED LK. BLVD, PLANNING STUD Councilman Humphrey felt that apartments do not decrease but rather incre-%se the values in an area, Alvo that the park idea is a unique possibility and an important one to the village, Councilman Kindseth thought it would cost the village a con- siderable amount of money and we are not in a position now to know how much. The creation of a traffic problem is an addi- tional consideration. Tax revenue on these properties was also discussed, h Council Minutes - April 29, 1969 Page 2 Mr. Chapman felt R-4 zoninst would affect the obtaining of bank loans for sine le family d-ielling . Mr. Pollock feels 26th Avenue is a boundary ;lbr high and low density. In answer to Councilman Johns6n's inquiry regarding what effect high quality town houses would have here, he feels they would be all right here with proper implementation of the Village Ordinance, Mr. P%ekker and lac. Egan felt that a single family neighborhooCshould b. retained north of 26th Avenue North. It was requested to wait a week before malting a decision on the Cross-Etoi: property. Mr. Bergly stated a parkway up to 36th Avenue ties in with the Central Planning Study,,was Administrator Splinter's opinion that the area between 23rd and 18th would be hard to mix for R-1 and R-4. He suggested all townhouses. He compared it to the probIpm Four and eight unit apartments in New Hope were causing. Cauncilmiin Humphrey felt 000d sites with good layouts can have m .xed land uses , Mr. Pollock said such mixes should by grouped for residential protection in a comprehensive layout. Administrator Splinter expressed con- cern as to whether a proper .layout could be achieved with a multiplicity of land owners, There was a poll taken on the following issues by Mayor Hilde, 1, How many prefer to see the Cross-Etoc property zoned R-1? 8 N es, one for rezoning to R-40 2, How many prefer to preserve the single family zoning south of 26th Avenoe and west of Nathan Lane? 9 yes, unanimous, 3. A poll for the area south of 25th Avenue to approximately 22 1/2 Avenue was taken, 6 yes for single, 3 yes for mul- tirle , 4. How many are in favor of having the area of 19-1/2 Avenue North to 22.-1/2 Avenue North zoned single family and town houses? 9 yes, unanimous, its 5, How many are in favor of multiple (R",4) from 17th to 19-1/2? 2.Xes. unanimous, 6. From 25th to 22-1/2 Avenues ow many prefer the planned town houiia and single family? 6 yes, 33 no, Mr. Bergly discuased nwp Ulan and park location changes. Mayor Hilde skated the results of this meeting and the poll will be taker, into consideration when adoption of a guide plan for ftot Medicine Lake Boulevard is made and the area on 36th Avenue be - a, tween the schools will need further study and consultation with the o%me.. C6uncO flinutes - April 29, 1969 - i 3 L 4 , Mr. Egan feels that there will be a futu'•e demand for limited RE: EAST ND, business service which should warrant th discouraging of LK. BLVD. other homes going in south of 26th Avenue, and ;:ast of Lancaster. PIANNING STUDY 7. How many would lice to see the area between 25th and 26th Avenues east of Lancaster planned the sanW. an the area to the south, a mixture of R•-1 and .R-32 7yee, 3 no. A discussion followed the inquiry concerning costs for water, sewer and road a lignmeint . As for the water, a state study indicates one contaminated well ius sampling from this area Mayor Hildo asked the Administralar, Engineer and Planner to present a map with decisions of the poll included, pro- jecting the East Medicine Lake Boulevard as a state aid pro- ject, to be ready in one month. The second half of the meeting was dewted- the eathecommentsmadeattheApril22ndpublic tral Planning Study, which, will by used as ing the plan for the vi:.Iage to consideration ofRE: CENTRAL gearing on the Cen-PLANNING a guide in adapt- STUDY The Administrator read Mrs. Norbearg's comments. , concerning conservation from the minutes. Councilman Kindseth said Mr. Gerry :.nils expressed concern for control of the plan as it concerned thoroughfare construc- tion. liaward Dahlgren said that the overall plan is made so that a capital improvement program can be developed from it in order to set priorities a.d establish costs, The comments of Mr. Cox, W- , Boardman, anti Mrs, Kendall were RE; REFUSE considered good ideas. A study is being made by the Metro- DISPUSAL politan C -until regarding refuse disposal, Regarding Mr. DeZeil's concern for light i.ndusijrial areas adjacent, Howarl Dahlgren said high qualify liqit industrial might be considered in the area adjacent to pari Iways . He can see no harm in merging the two lines of limited businesp and light industrial areas, Amount of land invo','.ved would ?te the key issue, however, he feels it should be 14jft as is uuti1 a specific request for changes is received. Diso asw ion was held too on Mr. DeZeil' s comments on the ::onium ri;ad plan, The comments of Mr, Edwards, Mr. Schiebe and Mr. Wbrious were read next, Mayor Hilde said the village is planning to hire a part time planner and have the budget for next year possiw bly allowing for a planner on a full time bas i -s . Administrator Splinter stated he hug received r umercu;j calls from citizens who are concerned about thec.t'.r '.4.urlas at the pro posed intersection of County !toad #6 And State Highwa- 055, and the medium density zoning to this 0 Council inutes - April 29, 1.963 - Page 4 Howard Z*higren said they tried to plan a diamond inter - rection Were but the railroad tracks located to the east prevented) it. The Minnesota Highway Department is recep-m tive to the plan. Lut it is not in their next five year budget. Mr. Dah lgrets said the home owners here should be optimistic;as they will be fairly treated and tney need not be concern4d about losing their investment, Many citizens raisad thelir hands afnen Mayor Hilde asked how many preferred another type of intersection, Ed Egan asked Mr. Dahlgren if all four movements were required and Mr.. Dahlgren said they were because of the Industrial Park traffic and safety problems with interchange with one-half movetnents. Councilman Johnson said there was a. agency in Washington who would preview the planned intersections and gi.ve their opinion at no charge to the village and thet he would like to have this done before makirg a decision on the plan, Mayor Hilde said due to the time element involved it would be too late to ask for it. Councilman Hintz felt even if we had to wait six months for such an opinion, this should be considered, Councilman Hintz questioned the ramp plans at the intersection ct Highway #494 and Highway #55% Ed Egan expressed complete confidence in the Pianner's design and the Planner went over his proposed plan with further discussion. A vote was taken on how many would like to see the proposed plan for the intersection at County Road #6 and Highway #155 remain ps depicted, subject to recommendations by the above traffic agency, 9 yes unanimous, Comments of Mr, Weestrand, Mr. Bohl and Mr. Wertzberger were read, Regarding the, Cavanaugh Addition, Howard Dahlgren said high density adjacent could be handled more suc.cossfully than a mixture of resi-.ential uses, The limited business area is res:rved For high office buildings and hotels, Councilman Hintz said the Single family residents are not completely again4 t the high density, only in the northern area. Tbey desire a meeting with the Planner to get an idea of what is propo9ed, To the question how many were in favor of leaving the plan in the Northwest quadrant of #494 and #55 as is, the answer was 8 es, with Councilman Hintz abstaining, Mr. Hallen's comments. on Fernbrook Lane tra ftic eras discussed, Howard Dahlgren said streets should be designed to fit the tearrair, . Most high txafi:ie thoroughfates will be state aid four lane roads, It is important to have roads parallel to the Ererway and creating boxes around intecchangen . Speed could bit ecntrol.ad by up and down topography as curving the roads„ 449i RE: C=?RAL PLY . PIANN . STUDY 8 L I, r Council 01inutes April .29, 1969 - Page 5 A questi(n on how many perfer to leave the west Medicine Lake Drilfe and County Road 061 area as high ftnsity was 5 ,mea, wj,th 4 yes for a change of some kind. Councilman, Hintz would like to see high density changed to the north, as it loKlked like too many multiples going in. There was a discussion of land topography here and that high density rather than industrial is better tax -wise for the village. Myor Iiilde remindedthem that the plan corers only 12% of the village, 444 acres are single and medium density, 295 acres arl high density, 36 acres retail commercial, 45 acres general industrial, 880 acres industrial and 100 acres limit- ed busing ss , i an RE: C8l4!ML PLYMOUTH PLUM .0 smy How many,were in favor of making the high density area smaller on the ti -p of leucine Lake? 9 Yes. unanimous. To the q.estion how many favored the Parker's Lake high den- sity area north of County Road #6, there were 5 yes and i favored a change, Mr. Prekler feels that high density along the two -lot deep single family area would be crowding them out, btu: m-. Dahl- gren sa U it was more successful for Zone transitions at the rear of These lot lines. Councilman Hintz won1d like to see a green q,trip of some kind between the single family and high density area with park dedication between Fernbrook and Nil—" garb. Hrtward Dahlgren questioned the feasibility of crosu— ing a road, required village mintenance and effect, on private park aitq plans, A question was asked how many ravored the park strip to run between {hn single and high density area and this land to remain glen in the Actual development, Ed Egan Mated he folt that he and the Planning Commission had not been sufficiently exposed to the plan with inaufficient discussigns to make immediate decisions without ober points he feels being brought up. Councilman Johnson stated he had expected to make decisions parcel by parcel, Mayor Hilde said this meeting was intended to consider the comments made at the public hearing, not to put on pressure since it is a great responsibility of theirs. but it does require getting their recommendations promptly, Ed Egan said the Planning Commission would require about three weeks time and a special meeting to digest the plan before acceptance especially concerning high densities, He wants the Planning Commission to discuss the East Medi Zine Lake Study before holding a public hearing. To the question should we direct the Planner tri change the map to show greelnstrip between F'ernbrook and Niagar%i Lanee North. 13th Avenae, the vote was 9_ yes, unanimous, A n p r.. Cwncil Minutes - April 29. 1%9 - Page 6 ` To the question can ftrnbrook Lsne plan be curved. the vote 19 was a unanimous no. Mayor Hilde asked Ed Egan to have they Planning Commission give their final decision on the plan to the Council by June 2nd, 1969, Administrator Splinter was directed to notify the Metropolitan Council regarding the plan. The meeting was adjourned at 10:45 P.N. t_ Al Hi lde. Jr.. Mayor Attestz 4V t Caroline J. Hanf, Secretary L a vo