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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCity Council Minutes 11-15-1999 SpecialAdopted Minutes Special Council Meeting November 15, 1999 A Special Meeting of the Plymouth City Council was called to order by Mayor Tierney at 7:00 p.m. in the Council Chambers of the City Center, 3400 Plymouth Blvd., on November 15, 1999. The purpose of this meeting was to discuss the Land Use Plan for 2020 Urban Expansion Area for Northwest Plymouth. COUNCIL PRESENT: Mayor Tierney, Councilmembers Brown, Black, Harstad, Johnson, Bildsoe, and Slavik. ABSENT: None. STAFF PRESENT: City Manager Johnson, Assistant City Manager Ahrens, Public Works Director Moore, Community Development Director Hurlburt, Parks and Recreation Director Blank, Public Safety Director Gerdes, and City Clerk Paulson. Land Use Plan for 2020 Urban Expansion Area — Plymouth Comprehensive Plan Update Community Development Director Hurlburt explained the background of the Comprehensive Planning process. All metropolitan cities are in the process of updating their Comprehensive Plans, and updates are required every 10 years. The City's plan is projected to be completed by spring 2000. The Land Use Plan determines the type of development allowed and the density number of units per acre) of residential development. After the final draft of the plan is prepared, there would be a public hearing conducted by the City Council as well as a review by the Metropolitan Council. She illustrated the current Land Use Guide Plan and the area outside the urban service area in the northwest part of Plymouth. She stated on October 21, 1998 the Council adopted the partial urban expansion option for planning the northwest portion of the City. This past spring and summer there were 14 study sessions conducted to discuss all components of the Land Use Plan for the entire City. On July 27, 1999 the Council and Planning Commission conducted a joint meeting and approval was given for the draft version of the 2020 urban expansion area (sewer staging and land use plans). During the July 27, 1999 meeting, some Council and Commission members expressed concern that the Land Use Plan, particularly the residential densities, had not been thoroughly discussed. At the City Council meeting on August 3, 1999, the Council voted to direct staff to provide options for higher densities for the Land Use Plan in the 2020 urban expansion area. Staff was also requested to identify locations where density could be increased without major impacts on infrastructure (sewers, road, etc.). Several options were prepared and discussed at the August 31, 1999 joint Council/Planning Commission meeting. At that meeting, the Council directed that public input be sought on an alternative Land Use Plan which would increase allowable residential density in a portion of the proposed 2020 urban expansion area. Adopted City Council Minutes Special Meeting of November 15, 1999 Page 2 of 15 She encouraged the Council to approve this evening a Land Use Plan for Northwest Plymouth as other components of the Comprehensive Plan are dependent on this section. She stressed that the Council's decision tonight would not be a final decision but only direction to the consultant and staff to prepare the final draft of the Comprehensive Plan. She then explained the definitions of terms contained in the plan. A question was raised as to what kind of development is occurring north of the City limits. Community Development Director Hurlburt illustrated to the Council a portion of the adopted Maple Grove's Land Use Plan that indicates a mix of low -medium density residential and mixed medium density residential. She stated these areas are very consistent with the City of Plymouth's LA -1. She explained the City is considering increasing densities as this would encourage life cycle housing opportunities, affordability of homes, transit feasibility, and efficient use of land and infrastructure. She stated some concerns that could be associated with increasing densities are an increase in traffic, impact on infrastructure and services (proposed plans will not provide problems to the City services), compatibility with existing development, and fears of concentrating low-cost housing. She briefly discussed a commercial area proposed near the intersection of Vicksburg Lane and County Road 47. If there were no commercial development in this area, residents would need to travel two to three miles for access to basic services. She stated the development standards are established by the zoning ordinance, and the commercial uses are compatible with the residential uses. She stated this evening the Council could take action on one of the following options: 1. Adopt the proposed Urban Expansion Area which was adopted by the Planning Commission. 2. Reaffirm the plan adopted on July 27, 1999. 3. Adopt an alternative plan dated November 1999 that was proposed by Councilmembers Johnson and Brown. Motion was made by Councilmember Bildsoe, and seconded by Councilmember Slavik to reaffirm the July 27, 1999 plan adopted by the City Council. Councilmember Bildsoe stated the Council approved a partial development for this area. He stated full, partial, or no development were the options presented to the Council at the October 21, 1998 meeting. He stated he personally doesn't favor higher densities in that area, and he Adopted City Council Minutes Special Meeting of November 15, 1999 Page 3 of 15 originally preferred no development. He supports lower densities and essentially the framework that was approved on October 21, 1998. Councilmember Harstad stated in 1995, the City agreed to participate in the Livable Communities Act, and this is a plan that works with adjacent cities in creating opportunities for affordable housing. He stated currently the City is not providing its share of higher density developments. He stated some senior citizens have indicated to the Council that if there weren't more reasonable priced housing available, they would be forced to relocate elsewhere. He stressed that higher density levels do not always guarantee affordable housing. He explained staff is proposing to increase the densities from two to three homes per acre. Councilmember Harstad questioned the traffic capacity of County Road 47, and if this roadway could accommodate the traffic for the next 10 to 20 years. Community Development Director Hurlburt stated studies were completed on the plan adopted by the Council on July 27, 1999. She stated the studies indicate that even if there were lower densities, there would be a substantial increase in traffic. She stressed that this is a County road that serves a much greater area than just Plymouth, and the road would probably need to be reconstructed as a four -lane roadway sometime in the future. She stated currently reconstruction of this roadway is not in the County's five-year plan, but no matter what density the Council selects, the road would still be utilized with great demands. She commented that it's very likely that this area would be developed before the road is widened. Public Works Director Moore added in the meantime, there would probably be some minor improvements to the roadway such as by-pass lanes and turn lanes. Councilmember Harstad asked if the city of Maple Grove has adopted their Comprehensive Plan. Community Development Director Hurlburt replied yes. Mayor Tierney stated she has not been as supportive of the July 27, 1999 plan as it relates to the proposed commercial area being located adjacent to a LA -1 area. Councilmember Black stated that she would not be supporting the above motion. Councilmember Johnson stated since there are citizens present that would like to address the Council, she requested the Council hear the testimony first before taking complete action. Councilmember Slavik stated she agrees with Councilmember Johnson. Mayor Tierney stated public comment would be limited to three minutes. Adopted City Council Minutes Special Meeting of November 15, 1999 Page 4 of 15 Matthew Kramer, 13710 59th Place North, resident of Lake Camelot Estates, stated the Council has already approved the July 27, 1999 Land Use Plan, and this is a plan that would appeal to everyone. This plan provides not only single family homes, but LA -3 and LA -4 areas south of the golf course. Over 100 residents of Lake Camelot Estates have a signed a petition supporting the July 27, 1999 plan. He stated the new Fernbrook/Cheshire Lane would be constructed to manage the LA -3 and LA -4 traffic flow. He stressed that County Road 47 wouldn't have the capacity for the other plans, and there would be significant safety issues as well. Molly Cavin, 2855 Zanzibar Lane, stated she and her husband are facing an "empty nest syndrome." She stated they have friends who have purchased homes in the Parkers Lake area, and they would like the opportunity to purchase this same type of housing. She urged the Council to support the higher density areas. Pat Murray, 504 Kingsview Lane, urged the Council to support the Planning Commission's recommendation which increases the densities. Jim Hass, 14230 60th Place North, urged the Council to support the July 27, 1999 plan. He explained his home is located in Lake Camelot Estates, and he doesn't want his house backing into a townhouse. He stated he believes higher density would decrease his property values, and he is also concerned about the traffic. Ken Wendinger, 5465 Orleans Lane, Apt. 1, stated 10 years ago he purchased a townhouse at 65,000. Three years ago, lots were purchased at $90,000, and $250,000 homes were constructed on those lots. He stated individuals who make $16 an hour can't afford to purchase a home for more than $95,000. They are the people assisting the professions (daycares, store clerks). Affordable housing and upscale single-family homes have proved that they can be good neighbors. He stressed that the Council must base their decision on what is currently occurring in the community. He stated if the City doesn't assist in absorbing the increase in the metropolitan population, people would construct homes west of the City, which would create congestion on the City's roads. Pat M. Mahoney, 15392 62nd Avenue, Maple Grove, stated he is representing the Rosemary Woods Homeowners north of this area. He stated in terms of the July 27, 1999 proposal, the homeowners support the proposal. However, there are some concerns of the commercial use at Vicksburg Lane and County Road 47. Hayden L. Wands, 15255 62"d Avenue North, Maple Grove, stated he agrees with Mr. Mahoney. His property is located in Maple Grove and faces the proposed LA -4 area included on the November 1999 map. Currently this area is beautiful with a lake, but he realizes that it would eventually be developed. He stated he relocated here from Kansas City, and the suburbs in that Adopted City Council Minutes Special Meeting of November 15, 1999 Page 5 of 15 area communicate with each other. Plymouth's development plan may not be compatible with Maple Grove's development plan. Kerry Juntti, 15424 62nd Avenue North, Maple Grove, stated prior to living at this address he resided off Medina Road and County Road 101. He felt there was little chance of a LA -1 area being adjacent to a LA -4 area. However, that is now being proposed. He requested an easier transition. Tom Cooley, 15081 62nd Avenue North, Maple Grove, stated he resides in High Point Hills north of the proposed development plan. He is representing the homeowners, and they support the July 27, 1999 plan. Sherri Martin -Swagger, 14860 County Road 47, stated she is very opposed to the Council deviating from the July plan. She stated there would be an enormous change if there were higher densities. She voiced her opposition to the proposed commercial development at County Road 47 and Vicksburg Lane. Currently there are many times she can't exit her driveway onto County Road 47 due to the amount of traffic, and this development would only contribute to a problem that already exists. Arlen Stensby, 14840 County Road 47, presented an overhead which was the resolution adopted by the Council on October 21, 1998. He stated now the Planning Commission is recommending a 338% increase in density. He also illustrated a picture of the Thompson property north of County Road 47 that is proposed to be a LA -4 area. He stressed that the October 21, 1998 proposal is inconsistent with what was approved previously by the City Council. It also shows a lack of concern for the environment, has no financial justification, and would destroy the character of Northwest Plymouth forever. He stated the July 27, 1999 plan is consistent with the survey results, and it allows residents who have purchased their homes 15-20 years ago to continue to live there. Irene Durant, 10124 Southshore Drive, urged the Council to support affordable housing. Gretchen Schatzke, 3175 Walnut Grove Lane, stated she is a 24 -year resident of the City, and she requested the Council to support the expanded Land Use Plan as it would provide more area for diversified housing for elderly, single invididuals, and families. Steven Harvey, 6030 Cheshire Lane North, urged the Council to support the July 27, 1999 Land Use Plan. The affect to the existing neighborhoods would be great if the densities are increased. Marc Anderson, of Lundgren Brothers, stated they have optioned a number of parcels in Northwest Plymouth, and they feel the LA -3 and LA -4 areas are too dense for this area. They support the LA -1 and LA -2 designations. He stated they feel there is a problem in the Adopted City Council Minutes Special Meeting of November 15, 1999 Page 6 of 15 requirement that the densities have a minimum. At this point, they would not want to be restricted to a minimum but be able to work with the land. Lastly, they feel the higher densities do not provide enough flexibility for this area. Tom Cloutier, 13745 61St Avenue North, stated he is a resident of Lake Camelot Estates, and he supports the July 27, 1999 Land Use Plan. He stated currently in the City, LA -1 and LA -2 areas are approximately 70% of the housing stock. The October 21, 1998 plan has only 44% of the housing stock LA -1 and LA -2. He requested that their surrounding areas be designated as LA -1 and LA -2 areas which is consistent with the remainder of the City. He stated typically, LA -1 and LA -2 areas are owner occupied while LA -3 and LA -4 areas are not owner occupied. He stated there are advantages when the properties are owner occupied as the owners are stable and are long-term residents. He cautioned the Council in not having too much affordable housing and life cycle housing as it will affect the real estate values. Yele Akinsanyo, 13805 60th Avenue North, stated he just relocated to the City a year ago from Texas. He stated if he would've known that the City was proposing to increase the densities, he wouldn't have purchased his home in this area. He suggested that before the densities are increased, the City should have the infrastructure in place first. In addition, the City has not completed a transportation impact analysis or an environmental impact statement. He suggested the Council complete a comprehensive capital improvement plan, transportation plan, and environmental impact statement before the density levels are increased. Linda Seaton, 14215 44th Place North, urged the Council to support the proposal approved by the Planning Commission. LaDonna Hoy, 146 Ridgeview Drive, stated she is Director of Interfaith Outreach and Community Partners, and 60% of their users are from Plymouth. She stated every City resident seeks affordable housing at whatever life cycle. She stressed the need for the Council to address all types of housing, and she requested the Council to support the proposal approved by the Planning Commission. Jill Kohler, 16805 22nd Avenue North, stated she lives within one mile of the Parkers Lake area, and the value of her home has not decreased because of higher density developments adjacent to her property. She requested the Council approve the Planning Commission's proposal. Rhonda Farran, 13025 34th Avenue North, urged the Council to support the Planning Commission's recommendation. She stated it is the Council's responsibility to consider the entire population of City not just a small interest group of City. She stated the Parker's Lake area is a good place to live. She stated she understands the concerns of the residents of the northwest Plymouth, but they must have a broader perspective. Adopted City Council Minutes Special Meeting of November 15, 1999 Page 7 of 15 Linda Harvey, 6030 Cheshire Lane North, stated their area, Lake Camelot Estates, would definitely be affected with higher densities. She stated there would be traffic congestion on County Road 47, and she has contacted the County, and they assured her that County Road 47 isn't proposed to be reconstructed as a four -lane roadway. She urged the Council to support the July 27, 1999 plan. Paul Wardell, 16395 County Road 47, stated there are individuals who want more diversity and individuals who want open spaces. He illustrated photographs of the Parkers Lake area, and he finds this type of housing configuration somewhat troublesome as there are large homes on very small lots. He then illustrated photographs of an apartment complex in Eagan where the open spaces were maintained in and around the apartment complex. He stated eventually the City would have to absorb more people, but the question is how this can be achieved while still preserving open spaces. He suggested that developments be created that would be appropriate for all ages while still maintaining, park, trail, and open space areas. Steve Thompson, 3015 Xanthus Lane North, requested the Council adopt the recommendation from the Planning Commission. He stated the Council must consider the needs of people who would like to locate in the City that don't have the same means that the majority of the residents have. He stated those individuals who make $10 to $16 per hour should have the opportunity to purchase housing in the City. He stated the plan approved by the Planning Commission is a good effort in addressing all needs of the population. Van Mancuso, 13935 60th Avenue North, stated this is definitely an issue of density, and he truly believes the majority of the citizens favor lower densities. Eayleen Toohey, 15515 6`h Avenue, stated she has lived in the City for 42 years. She volunteers at Home Free and is a driver for Interfaith Outreach. She stated people want to know how and where they can live in the City. Therefore, she urged the Council to support higher densities. Ron Seeman, 6216 Upland Lane North, Maple Grove, stated he is President of Rosemary Homeowners Association, and these homes are north of the County Road 47 and Vicksburg Lane area. They support the July 27, 1999 plan. However, they are concerned about the traffic in the area and the height of berm walls. Donald Peterson, 1761 Kirkwood Lane, stated reasonable priced housing would be desirable for people who want to locate in the City. He stated he doesn't believe that the minimum density level is desirable. He encouraged the Council to consider non -restricted items i.e. staging of fees and charges (park dedication). Restrictions would increase the price of land that increases the price of housing four to five percent. Adopted City Council Minutes Special Meeting of November 15, 1999 Page 8 of 15 Mike Villafana, 14220 60th Place North, stated based on the recent citizen survey there were about 40% of the respondents that didn't favor higher density housing. The County has also indicated that the Interstate bridge and County Road 47 are too narrow to accommodate a larger underpass. He requested the Council support the July 27, 1999 plan. In conclusion, he stated there are over 200 signatures from Lake Camelot Estates that support the July plan. Kay Sverkerson, 35 Nathan Lane North, Apt. 123, requested the Council to approve higher densities. She explained she currently resides adjacent to a very large apartment complex, and there are no repercussions from that. Vivian Starr, 6060 Annapolis Lane North, illustrated to the Council the Lake Camelot Estates area. She stated there are 186 homes in Lake Camelot Estates, and there are three homes per acre. The majority of the homes are 15 feet apart. She illustrated the amount of parkland in their area that they pay to maintain. She stated this is a well planned development. She reminded the Council there is a substantial amount of lower cost housing near their development by the interstate. She questioned the placement of higher density units further away from the prime transportation areas. Vernon Peterson, 17425 County Road 47, stated he supports developing the entire Northwest Plymouth area. He also requested the Council's support of higher densities. Debbie Kramer, 13710 59th Place North, explained the July 27, 1999 plan does address the major issues today which includes life cycle housing. She stated 980 units could be located in the LA -3 area, and in the LA -4 area, there would be 522 units. She realizes the City is in need of the life cycle housing, and this plan provides for that goal. Lastly, she stated there would be a road constructed (Fernbrook/Cheshire alignment) to service the LA -3 and LA -4 areas. Therefore, she urged the Council to support the July 27, 1999 plan. Judy Moore, 6080 Cheshire Lane, stated she supports the July 27, 1999 proposal. She requested the Council to use discretion in approving the current proposal and possibly deleting the commercial development. Sally Hesse, 14005 61 st Avenue North, stated she is a resident of Lake Camelot Estates, and there is a mixed blend of housing. She stated the July 27, 1999 plan does have LA -3 and LA -4 areas incorporated into it. After the public testimony, the Council took a short recess at 9:20 p.m. Mayor Tierney reconvened the meeting at 9:35 p.m. Adopted City Council Minutes Special Meeting of November 15, 1999 Page 9 of 15 Motion was made by Councilmember Brown, and seconded by Councilmember Black to offer a substitute motion which is to adopt what is now referred to as the November 4, 1999 plan/option. Councilmember Brown stated he and Councilmember Johnson met with residents of Lake Camelot Estates, and they view this plan as a reasonable compromise. The plan positions a parcel of LA -1 immediately adjacent to Lake Camelot Estates, and it transitions parcels from LA -2, LA -3, and LA -4 areas and then to the commercial area. It also changes the area immediately beneath the commercial area to LA -2. The overall effect is that there would be 2.6 units per acre. This seems like a fair compromise both for the residents and for the broader needs of the City in terms of providing an array of mixed housing in this area. Motion was made by Councilmember Black, and seconded by Councilmember Harstad to amend the substitute motion to change the LA -2 area south of County Road 47 on Vicksburg Lane to LA -4, LA -3, and LA -2 areas (in that order heading south) as was indicated on a map that she illustrated. Councilmember Black stressed that this is at least a 100 -year decision if not a 200 -year decision, and there would be many changes that would occur during this time period. She stated there would be many changes in how transportation is addressed. She briefly discussed a presentation that she recently attended on environmental benefits of smart growth. She stated smart growth is defined as: 1. Preserving regional character, shapes growth. 2. Growth is concentrated near existing roads, sewers, and other infrastructure. 3. On average, 5.5 units per acre for new housing. 4. More opportunities to use public transit systems. She stated the goal of smart growth is to reduce the environmental impact to air quality and greenhouse gas emissions, water and water supply, and green infrastructure. She also mentioned the pollution caused by one vehicle. She stated the LA -1 density would move the development north and west of Plymouth. Therefore, the City would be experiencing air pollution and congestion. She stressed the need to look towards the future and what the impact of the decisions made today would have on the future generations. Councilmember Harstad stated since the Council is not establishing minimum densities, the plan provides for more compromise, clustering, etc. The planning that would occur would be based on the plans that are presented to the City. He stated this a Comprehensive Guide Plan that provides direction. Adopted City Council Minutes Special Meeting of November 15, 1999 Page 10 of 15 Community Development Director Hurlburt suggested the Council establish minimum densities in order to achieve the densities that the plan indicates. She stated it has been the history that land planned to accommodate more growth has been underdeveloped in relation to the infrastructure that is in place. She cautioned the Council that there is a legal requirement that the controls be consistent with the land use plan. For example, the City designates an area as LA -4 but then it is developed as a LA -1 area. Councilmember Slavik stated she would not support Councilmember Black's amendment as it is not a good fit. She stated unfortunately the meeting tonight turned into an affordable housing debate when the Council is considering densities. She stated she is not opposed to affordable housing, but the City doesn't have funds currently in place for that type of housing. She stated she supports the July 27, 1999 plan. Councilmember Black stated some of the Councilmembers weren't in office when the planning for Northwest Plymouth was originally discussed. The earlier debate exclusively addressed if the City was going to develop part, all, or none of Northwest Plymouth. She doesn't feel the July 27, 1999 plan is more thought out and/or discussed than any other plans that have been considered by the Council. Councilmember Bildsoe stated he has a copy of the October 21, 1998 plan. He doesn't see anything on the plan that indicates a concept plan, and the legend states it is a partial growth option of 2020. This is the plan on which his decision is based on. It was not his interpretation that this was a concept plan, but a plan on which the Council was going to adhere to. Councilmember Johnson stated she appreciates Councilmember Black's offer to increase the densities on Vicksburg, however, this may go too far. If a developer presented an alternative plan that was a good fit, the Council could certainly consider that. She doesn't mind seeing LA - 1 areas being changed to LA -2. LA -2 areas have worked very well within the City. Motion was made by Councilmember Harstad, and seconded by Councilmember Black to call the question. With all members voting in favor but Johnson, the motion carried. The Council voted on the amendment. With all members voting against the motion but Black and Harstad, the motion failed. Motion was made by Councilmember Johnson, and seconded by Councilmember Brown to amend the substitute motion to change the LA -4 area, east of the proposed commercial area on County Road 47, to LA -3. Adopted City Council Minutes Special Meeting of November 15,1999 Page 11 of 15 Councilmember Johnson stated the LA -3 would address the life cycle housing and provide a good transition to the area and the Maple Grove area. She stated if there were plans for housing that would fit LA -4, she would certainly consider the possibility. Councilmember Bildsoe commented this proposed amendment does meet the guidelines that the Council established on October 21, 1998. Councilmember Johnson stated in addition, this plan would keep the commercial development in place which she hopes would only be intended for the neighborhood. She would not support a commercial development that would be similar to the commercial developments on Highway 55. Councilmember Brown commented the Council is really starting to dilute the Council's intent of adding density. Therefore, he would be voting against this amendment. Councilmember Black stated she would also be voting against the amendment. If this plan would be approved as is now being presented, Northwest Plymouth would be developed at a growth density of 2.6 units per acre which is well below the remainder of Plymouth. She stated if the Council continues to decrease the density levels, she may make a motion to withdraw from the Livable Communities Act if the City can't satisfy the requirement. Councilmember Harstad stated he also wouldn't support this amendment. He stated the Council is trying to develop neighborhoods, and with a LA -4 area adjacent to the commercial area, it would give the opportunity for residents to walk and/or drive their bicycles to the commercial area. This would foster a good sense of neighborhood. He stated there is the possibility of clustering homes with the apartment look and feel, but with more green space than one could develop with lower density. Higher density provides more options and these developments could be screened. Councilmember Johnson stated the Council must realize there are golf courses in this area, and some day if there is sewer available, they may sell the property for the development of LA -1 and LA -2 areas. She also believes that a hobby farm could still be a part of the life cycle housing. Lastly, she stated that developers may not prefer this guide, but the Council could consider alternative plans. Mayor Tierney stated she supports the motion. She stated there could be some very nice transitional housing from the LA -3 areas to the LA -2 areas. This type of development could allow for some more creativity. Councilmember Black stated this amendment could severely decrease the opportunities for affordable housing. In considering the amendment, there would be only one area in Northwest Plymouth that could provide any opportunity for affordable housing. Adopted City Council Minutes Special Meeting of November 15, 1999 Page 12 of 15 Councilmember Bildsoe stated regarding affordable housing, the price per acre in this part of the City is $50,000 to $100,000 per acre. He stated that he would have some problems in supporting minimum densities; however, he needs to discuss this with staff to determine what the ramifications would be. He encouraged the Council to consider affordable housing redevelopments in other parts of the City where there is currently the infrastructure to accommodate those developments as the infrastructure is not in place in Northwest Plymouth. Councilmember Johnson stated some of the problems that the Council is currently addressing were self-created. She stated the decision to not develop west of Vicksburg had an impact on the prices east of Vicksburg. She stated when there is a shortage of land with sewer, the land values tend to increase. Councilmember Brown stated Councilmember Bildsoe is correct in the affordability issues. However, affordable housing does assist with transportation efficiencies, life cycle housing, and preservation of green spaces. Councilmember Black stated there are two areas in her Ward that are being considered for affordable housing, and she would support those efforts. In addition, there is a HRA project being discussed for her ward. However, she doesn't think any of these projects should preclude the opportunity for affordable housing in Northwest Plymouth. Councilmember Harstad stated the Council is considering the opportunities that could exist for this undeveloped area of the City without redeveloping the area (tearing down and rebuilding). He agreed with Councilmember Black in that this decision is for 100 years into the future. Councilmember Johnson stated there would always be redevelopment opportunities throughout the City. In addition, developers would request amendments to the City's Land Use Plan, and the Council could review those developments at that time. She stated the proposed LA -3 area adjacent to the commercial property provides affordability. Motion was made by Councilmember Brown, and seconded by Councilmember Black to call the uestion. With all members voting in favor, the motion carried. The Council voted on the amendment. With all members voting against the motion but Johnson, Bildsoe, and Tierney, the motion failed. Councilmember Bildsoe commented that he was going to make a motion to change the area adjacent to the commercial area to LA -2, but there are not enough votes to support that. He stated he would not support a LA4 area that isn't consistent with the July 27, 1999 plan. Adopted City Council Minutes Special Meeting of November 15, 1999 Page 13 of 15 Mayor Tierney stressed this is only a guide, and it would be voted on a later date as a component of the final draft of the Comprehensive Plan. As the developers present their plans to the City, their proposals may necessitate some changes. However, she doesn't feel the Council should be deviating from the integrity of the July plan. Motion was made by Councilmember Black, and seconded by Councilmember Harstad to amend the substitute motion to change the LA -4 area adjacent to the commercial area to LA -3, and the LA -2 area south of County Road 47 on Vicksburg Lane would remain LA -2 with the exception of an LA -3 area on the north portion. Councilmember Harstad stated he would support this amendment, especially as it relates to the transit plans. It would also make it easier for the development west of that area after 2020. It would be a good compromise, as it would be spreading the higher density over a larger area. Councilmember Brown stated he also could support this amendment. The plan would provide greater flexibility and opportunities to establish clustering. Councilmember Johnson stated she is apprehensive when the City is addressing minimum densities. She feels life cycle housing could be achieved at LA -2 areas rather than LA -3 areas. If the Council does support minimum densities, she cautioned the Council to not allowing too high of density at that intersection. Community Development Director Hurlburt commented it is not new that the City has to follow the plan and minimum densities. If a developer were to present a change in the plan, it would become a tool to negotiate with the Council. Councilmember Slavik stated she would not support this amendment as she is not comfortable in increasing the density. She stated she doesn't feel the Council is listening to the residents by increasing the densities. Councilmember Black reiterated this is a lower density than the remainder of the City as it is 2.6 acres per acre rather than 3.0 units per acre. Motion was made by Councilmember Slavik, and seconded by Councilmember Brown to call the uestion. With all members voting in favor, the motion carried. The Council voted on the amendment. With all members voting against the motion but Black, Harstad, and Brown, the motion failed. Motion was made by Councilmember Slavik, and seconded by Councilmember Johnson to reconsider Councilmember Johnson's and Councilmember Brown's motion to amend the Adopted City Council Minutes Special Meeting of November 15, 1999 Page 14 of 15 November plan which would change the LA -4 area adjacent to the commercial area to LA -3. Councilmember Johnson stated this is a definite change in the July 27, 1999 plan. She stated the parcels would be addressed on an individual basis when plans are presented to the Council. With all members voting in favor except Black, the motion to reconsider carried. Councilmember Brown asked Councilmember Slavik if she would be willing to amend her motion to change the bottom third of the LA -2 area along Vicksburg Lane to LA -3. Councilmember Slavik stated she would not. Motion was made by Councilmember Harstad, seconded by Councilmember Slavik to call the ueqstion. With all members voting in favor, the motion carried. The Council voted on the amendment. With all members voting in favor except Black, Bildsoe, and Brown, the motion carried. Councilmember Johnson asked if the sewer system would be capable of handling a LA -3 area north of Providence Academy and the railroad tracks. Community Development Director Hurlburt stated it would depend on the condition of the homes, etc. Motion was made by Councilmember Slavik, and seconded by Councilmember Bildsoe to change the LA -3 area, adjacent to the area that was just changed to LA -3 to LA -2 (the second parcel east of the commercial area). Councilmember Slavik stated this would provide for a better transition as well as a compromise for the neighborhood. Councilmember Harstad stated this LA -3 parcel would be a unique area to develop. This parcel is basically wetlands so it would be a perfect parcel to develop a higher density development while still being creative. He does not support the Council decreasing the densities parcel by parcel. Therefore, he would not support this motion. Councilmember Black stated the City would be preserving, not destroying more of the natural features of the area by downsizing these parcels. LA -1 and LA -2 areas are more destructive to the environment than the higher densities which have smaller footprints. A lower zoning would not protect all the trees. Councilmember Johnson reiterated that she feels it's important for the Council to honor their vote taken on October 21, 1998. Adopted City Council Minutes Special Meeting of November 15, 1999 Page 15 of 15 Motion was made by Councilmember Brown, and seconded by Councilmember Slavik to make a friendly amendment to change the bottom third of the area designated as LA -2 located south of County Road 47 on Vicksburg Lane to LA -3. Councilmember Black stated she would prefer to see a larger portion of that LA -2 area be designated as LA -3 as the Council needs to address life cycle housing. Councilmember Johnson stated if the above motions are approved, the plan provides a good amount of LA -3 and a portion of LA -4. She believes the City has a plan that would provide the needed life cycle housing. Councilmember Black stated in an effort in determining a compromise, she would support this motion. However, she does not like it, and she is unsure if she would support the final plan. The Council voted on the friendly amendment. With all members voting in favor but Bildsoe, the motion carried. The Council voted on the amended motion. With all members voting in favor except Bildsoe, the motion carried. The Council voted on the substitute motion with the two amendments. With all members voting in favor except Bildsoe, the motion carried. A map outlining the adopted Land Use Plan for the Northwest Plymouth area is attached to these minutes for reference purposes. (Please note that this is a guide only for the staff and consultant to prepare the final plan. The final plan would be presented to the Council at a future date for consideration). Adjournment Motion was made by Councilmember Black, and seconded by Councilmember Harstad to adjourn the meeting at 11:20 p.m. With all members voting in favor, the motion carried. andra R. Paulson, City Clerk A I I