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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCouncil Information Memorandum 01-01-1989N CITY OF PLYMOUTH PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES JANUARY 11, 1989 The Regular Meeting of the Plymouth Planning Commission was called to order at 7:00 p.m. MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman John Wire Michael Richard (arrived Tierney. MEMBERS ABSENT: None. David Pauba, Commissioners (arrived at 7:15 p.m.), Stulberg, Dennis Zylla, Plufka, Larr Marofsky at 7:35 p.m.}, and Joy STAFF PRESENT: Community Development Director Blair Tremere, Community Development Coordinator Charles Dillerud, Development Services Technician Myra Wicklacz, and Secretary Jayne Warner. MOTION by Commissioner Plufka, seconded by Commissioner Stulberg, to approve the Minutes for December 28, 1988, Planning Commission Meeting with the following changes: On Page 288, the MOTION to approve the Minutes from the December 14, 1988 Minutes was made by Commissioner Stulberg and seconded by Commissioner Tierney. On Page 289, Paragraph 3, the Minutes should reflect that Chairman Pauba opened the Public Hearing, instead of Commissioner Zylla. On Page 292, under "Comprehensive Plan", there should be a paragraph substituted for Paragraph 2 which reads: "Commissioner Tierney proposed a change in the "purpose" statement as follows: 'to promote and enhance the quality of living for all residents.'" Vote. 5 Ayes. MOTION carried. MOTION TO APPROVE VOTE - MOTION CARRIED Planning Commission Minutes January 11, 1989 Page 2 Chairman Pauba introduced the recommendations of the subcommittee for amendments to the Zoning Ordinance relating to places of worship. Chairman Pauba provided a brief overview of the recommendations and outlined the four questions the City Council wished to have addressed with regard to places of worship. Chairman Pauba asked if there were any Staff comments. Director Tremere explained the draft ordinance amendments, correspondence received and a listing of persons who had called. Director Tremere also mentioned other activities conducted by places of worship besides church services and the concerns of neighbors. Director Tremere stated that any questions as to constitutionality of the draft ordinance amendments should properly be addressed by the City Council and City Attorney, not the Planning Commission. Commissioner Zylla, Chairperson of the subcommittee, made a statement as to subcommittee's role. Commissioner Zylla stated that there has not been any attempt to create a "snow job" situation with regard to places of worship, as had been contended in a written communication from a church officer. Consideration on places of worship began in August and entailed a great deal of hours and work. The draft ordinance amendments do not necessarily meet the consensus of the Planning Commission, but were put together as a result of the subcommittee's meetings. Commissioner Zylla stated that there have been complaints by residents including: (1) size of parking lots; (2) screening of parking lots; and (3) accessory activities at churches. The subcommittee was asked to address standards for new churches and expansion of existing churches. Commissioner Zylla stated that there are presently three churches that would be non -conforming with the proposed Ordinance amendments regarding seating capacity and size of land parcel. Commissioner Plufka asked if they were in excess of the maximum acreage. Commissioner Zylla stated that three were in excess of the maximum, and two were below the minimum. Commissioner Wire asked how the limits would impact churches made non -conforming by the proposed Ordinance amendments as to structural modifications. ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS RE: PLACES OF WORSHIP Planning Commission Minutes January 11, 1989 Page 3 Commissioner Zylla stated that if they are non- conforming as to seating or access to major arterial streets, it would limit expansion. If, however, they are non -conforming as to height, yard or area requirments, they are exempt from such limitations. Commissioner Plufka made the statement that if something should happen to destroy or significantly damage a place of worship in the future, the place of worship could not be replaced if it is a non -conforming use at that time. Director Tremere confirmed Commissioner's Plufka's statement. Chairman Pauba opened the Public Hearing. William Fredregill, 1437 Larch, Plymouth, a member of Vision of Glory, indicated his opposition to the seating capacity aspect of the draft ordinance. Mr. Fredregill also indicated desire for an increase in seating maximums, at least. Vision of Glory's master plan allows for future growth, parking and activities. Commissioner Plufka indicated a future re -zoning of the Vision of Glory site to B-1 as a possible solution since seating maximums are not proposed for the B-1 zone, and B-1 zoning exists across the street. Chairman Pauba introduced Rod Hillstrom, 12510 25th Avenue North, Plymouth, a member of Vision of Glory. Mr. Hillstrom expressed his opposition with the limitations on seating. Commissioner Zylla explained how the subcommittee derived the number of seats. They did not want to encourage large structures in residential districts which would change the character of the neighborhood. Mr. Hillstrom did not disagree as to controlling the size of structures in a residential district but questioned the proposed numbers for seating capacity. Chairman Pauba introduced Ray Johnson, 13120 34th Avenue North, Plymouth, a member of Vision of Glory. Mr. Johnson stated that Plymouth is rapidly expanding, and that the City must accommodate new churches, and the expansion of existing churches to meet the needs of the community. Chairman Pauba introduced Kenneth P. Kesti, 5130 Vicksburg Lane North, Plymouth, a member of Minneapolis Laestadian Congregation, and also Attorney John B. Waldron, 400 Marquette Avenue, Minneapolis. Mr. Kesti expressed his opposition as to limitation on seating . \CC., • . Planning Commission Minutes January 11, 1989 Page 4 capacity and limitation on lot size. Mr. Kesti asked if the draft ordinance was modelled after another existing Ordinance, either in the metro area or elsewhere. Commissioner Marofsky stated that a church with too large a parcel under the Ordinance standard could divide the lot for other uses. Commissioner Plufka stated his concern was not as to size of structure, but rather it is more the intensity of use. Mr. Waldron repeated the concerns as set forth in the letter to the Planning Commission - (1) limitation on seating (275) and (2) lot size. These are concerns of the church because of plans for expansion and church growth. Commissioner Plufka commented that limit of 275 for seating capacity only applies to rural areas where there are no City services (sewer). Mr. Waldron stated that there should not be "blanket" size limitations. Commissioner Stulberg explained these restrictions as to rural areas. Director Tremere pointed out that the current Ordinance for churches in a rural district is 275 - this is not a change. Commissioner Tierney expressed her concern with setting limitations as to seating and lot size. The City is not anti -church, but is seeking to regulate the scale and variety of church activities in residential settings. Mr. Waldron expressed concern as to what changes this Ordinance would make on accessory and conditional uses currently ongoing in existing churches. Chairman Pauba introduced Neal Nordstrom, 17805 6th Avenue North, Plymouth. Mr. Nordstrom stated that he lives in the area of Wayzata Evangelical Free Church. Mr. Nordstrom stated that the seating restriction will not limit other activities and will not hurt churches as far as those services are concerned. Mr. Nordstrom expressed concern with the impact of parking lots and traffic in residential neighborhoods. Mr. Nordstrom stated that the issue should be regional churches as distinguished from neighborhood churches. Chairman Pauba introduced Patrick Murray, 504 Kingsview, Plymouth, a member of St. Mary's. Mr. Murray expressed \ Oc:,,- Planning Commission Minutes January 11, 1989 Page 5 his concern as to: (1) lot size; (2) not on major/minor arterial street; and (3) seating capacity. Mr. Murray stated that the long range plan for St. Mary's is to build a freestanding Church and they have concern as to height restrictions, and on-site housing for pastor. Mr. Murray stated that their present membership is 2500, but with the priest shortage they cannot have more than 3 services each weekend. Chairman Pauba introduced Mike Courneya, 18220 20th Avenue North, Plymouth, a member of the Living Word Christian Center. Mr. Courneya expressed his total opposition to the proposed amendment in the Ordinance. He stated that church structure size should be related to land parcel size. Chairman Pauba introduced Mark C. Harper, 18281 84th Avenue North, Plymouth, Associate Pastor, The Living Word Christian Center. Rev. Harper made statement as to the acquisition of 80 acres south of Prudential Insurance, and their planned proposal for a 5,000 seat church. Rev. Harper stated the this Ordinance amendment would make it impossible for their church to build what they want on the property. Rev. Harper expressed opposition to the blanket restrictions, and presented a petition in opposition to the Ordinance amendments. Commissioner Marofsky stated that the public has not heard of this proposed church. Commissioner Plufka stated that this is not a hearing on a proposed church. Chairman Pauba introduced Kathy Carrick, 5145 Cottonwood Lane, Plymouth, a member of Living Word Christian Center. Ms. Carrick expressed her concern with the church size limitations. Chairman Pauba introduced Peggy Nestor,, 4595 Forestview Lane, Plymouth, of Wayzata Evangelical Free Church. Ms. Nestor expressed her objection to the proposed amendment, because the City did not ask for suggestions from the churches themselves. Ms. Nestor requested the City sit down with the churches and explain the draft ordinance. Ms. Nestor also questioned the constitutionality of the draft ordinance and the legal advertisement in the newspaper. Director Tremere explained the publication of the Hearing Notice. Chairmen Pauba introduced Donald R. Sjostrom, 405 Comstock Lane, Plymouth, a member of Vision of Glory. Mr. Sjostrom expressed his concern with the seating _ \ Ot Planning Commission Minutes January 11, 1989 Page 6 limitation. Mr. Sjostrom requested the City look at the number and make some alteration, given the fact that churches naturally grow. Chairman Pauba introduced Lucy Quigg, 4635 Ranchview Lane, Plymouth. Ms. Quigg made statement as to the number of people who re -locate to live near their church and that this is an asset to the City of Plymouth. Ms. Quigg stated that she sees this draft ordinance as a limitation to church growth. Chairman Pauba introduced Richard Glampe, 18300 26th Avenue North, Plymouth. Mr. Glampe is a 20 year resident of the City and is opposed to the revision as to seating capacity and lot size. Mr. Glampe stated that church growth should not be restricted. Chairman Pauba introduced John Carlson, 10415 49th Avenue North, Plymouth, a member of Living Word Christian Center. Mr. Carlson stated that each site plan should be evaluated on its merits and have applicable regulations applied. Mr. Carlson stated that he looked forward to his children attending parochial school in Plymouth rather than in St. Louis Park, as they now do. Commissioner Plufka stated that zoning regulations must be equal in each district. Chairman Pauba introduced Michael Felix, 12005 41st Avenue North, #201, Plymouth, a member of Living Word Christian Center. Mr. Felix stated that their proposed church would have a multitude of facilities, not just the church itself. Mr. Felix stated that restrictions for churches should apply to each individual church. Chairman Pauba introduced Joe Berglund, 2319 Kirkwood Lane, Plymouth, a member of Vision of Glory. Mr. Berglund asked whether there were any other ordinances similar to the one proposed. Director Tremere stated that other ordinances were looked at - national and local. Commissioner Marofsky stated that there are municipal Zoning Ordinances which totally prohibit churches in residential zones. Plymouth is choosing not to do that, but rather to develop criteria to assure compatibility of churches and residential uses. Mr. Berglund stated his opposition to seating restrictions. Mr. Berglund stated seating capacity should be dealt with church by church. - Planning Commission Minutes January 11, 1989 Page 7 Chairman Pauba introduced Ray McEwan, 1855 Juneau Lane, Plymouth. Mr. McEwan passed out copies of a letter to Commissioners. Mr. McEwan stated his opposition to seating restrictions, which in many instances restricts long range planning already begun for many churches. Chairman Pauba introduced Mark Baker, 4600 Forestview Lane, Plymouth, a member of Living Word Christian Center. Mr. Baker is concerned with restriction on seating capacity. Mr. Baker stated that the City is growing and will need more churches or expansion of existing churches. Chairman Pauba introduced David Larsh, 135 Nathan Lane, Plymouth, a member of the Living Word Christian Center. Mr. Larsh stated his opposition to seating capacity limitations in the draft ordinance. Chairman Pauba introduced Einard R. Kari, 14895 18th Avenue North, Plymouth. Mr. Kari stated his opposition to the draft ordinance. Chairman Pauba introduced Jim Sandberg, 18130 8th Avenue North, Plymouth, an elder of Wayzata Evangelical Free Church. Mr. Sandberg made statement as to the W.E.F.C. philosophy of local service ministry. Mr. Sandberg stated that if the church had to move, based on this draft ordinance, they would not be able to locate elsewhere in Plymouth. Chairman Pauba introduced Ron Anderson, 11505 39th Avenue North, Plymouth. Mr. Anderson expressed his concern with limiting church size and thus growth in the City of Plymouth. Chairman Pauba introduced Chuck Johnson, 2170 Xanthus Lane, Plymouth. Mr. Johnson is opposed to limiting church size. Mr. Johnson suggested that the Planning Commission get input from the churches for this draft ordinance. Chairman Pauba closed the Public Hearing. Commissioner Plufka stated that they should get the proposed ordinance amendments on the table by a motion to approve. Meeting was recessed at 9:30 p.m. Meeting was reconvened at 9:37 p.m. Commissioner Marofsky stated that the subcommittee report contains the recommended amendments and it is on the table. Planning Commission Minutes January 11, 1989 Page 8 Commissioner Marofsky stated for the record that a special notice was sent to all churches. Commissioner Marofsky stated that no notices were sent to property owners. MOTION by Commissioner Plufka, seconded by Commissioner Wire to accept the report of the subcommittee. Vote. 7 Ayes. MOTION carried. MOTION by Commissioner Zylla, seconded by Commissioner Marofsky to recommend approval of the draft ordinance amendments to the City Council. MOTION by Commissioner Plufka, seconded by Commissioner Wire to amend the main motion as follows: Delete Section 10, Subdivision C, 15 b. (2), as it relates to maximum seating capacity. Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes, Commissioner Zylla Nay. MOTION to amend carried. Commissioner Plufka pointed out that they should consider total lot coverage' (impervious surface) in all districts, for all uses. Commissioner Marofsky stated he saw Commissioner Plufka's point, but inquired as to how that would provide some effective control on size. Commissioner Wire stated that the Planning Commission needs to communicate their concern to the City Council. Commissioner Marofsky suggested discussing possible alternatives before sending this proposal to the City Council with a negative recommendation. Commissioner Stulberg stated the need to consider discussing philosophically where the Planning Commission is going before acting. This would avoid sending a piecemeal package to the City Council. Discussion ensued as to changes in the draft ordinance. Commissioner Plufka stated that Planning Commission should control the size of the structures related to the size of property, and to require that they cannot cover every inch of the property with parking and buildings. Commissioner Zylla made a statement as to an expansion of number of seats in R-3, R-4 districts. However there may be a problem in doing that in R -1A, R -1B, R-2. Commissioner Zylla stated the need to protect the integrity of the residential churches. Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE VOTE - MOTION CARRIED MOTION MOTION VOTE - MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED Planning Commission Minutes January 11, 1989 Page 9 Zylla also stated that the Planning Commission has not heard from people who live near present or future churches. Commissioner Plufka expressed concern with existing churches which are close to the 450 seat maximum and the concerns in the future for those churches' growth. Commissioner Stulberg stated that number of seats should not be limited but it should be tied to amount of land used. Commissioner Zylla stated that not every church is in the ideal setting, and that the City needs to protect residential properties as well. Commissioner Marofsky suggested putting lot size restrictions in the R -1A, R-2, and R-3 zones, plus restrictions as to impervious surfaces. Commissioner Stulberg pointed out that he is not in favor of encouraging "spot zoning" to overcome restrictions, i.e., re -zoning present church sites. MOTION by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded by Commissioner Wire to amend the main motion deleting "regularly" from the definition contained in Section 4, Subdivision B of the draft ordinance. Vote. 7 Ayes. MOTION to amend carried. Discussion ensued as to what form of recommendation to send to the City Council. Commissioner Stulberg stated the some issues should be addressed before sending to City Council. Commissioner Stulberg also stated that he would like to look over the report further before sending it to City Council. MOTION by Commissioner Tierney, seconded by Commissioner Wire to table the motion as twice amended in order to further discuss the subcommittee report on January 18, 1989 at 7:30 p.m. in the City Council Chambers. Vote. 7 Ayes. MOTION carried. Comprehensive Plan Director Tremere introduced Coordinator Dillerud's memo dated January 5, 1989 regarding the Land Use Guide Plan. Coordinator Dillerud stated the issue he is addressing is physical constraints, and one of the areas of physical constraints is storm water holding. MOTION TO AMEND VOTE - MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED MOTION TO TABLE VOTE - MOTION CARRIED \ © c -- Planning Commission January 11, 1989 Page 10 Coordinator Dillerud water drainage plan Use Guide Plan. Minutes provided an overview of the storm as it relates to the current Land Coordinator Dillerud inquired if it was the intention of the Planning Commission to subtract the acreages that are under the 100 year flood elevation established for that region of the community by the storm water drainage plan. Coordinator Dillerud stated that Staff would be doing a new storm water drainage analysis as part of the Comprehensive Plan in 1989. Coordinator 'Dillerud indicated other Physical Constraints included DNR protected wetlands and the Corps of Engineers wetlands, and he asked the Planning Commission if they wanted to protect these wetlands in any way other than that which is now being done. Coordinator Dillerud also pointed out that woodland areas are a Physical Constraint. Coordinator Dillerud asked the Planning Commission if they would consider these areas worthy of preservation. Discussion ensued as to whether woodlands should be addressed in the Land Use Guide Plan now, or in the future. Coordinator Dillerud asked if they wanted Staff to look into the impact of deleting the woodland areas in the Land Use Guide Plan, and whether it is something so worthwhile that the acreage should be deleted from the Land Use Guide Plan. Director Tremere clarified Coordinator Dillerud's statement by asking the Planning Commission if City Staff should spend the time analyzing the future growth areas of the City, taking into account these constraints. MOTION by Commission Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner Plufka to direct Staff to analyze the future growth areas of the City, taking into consideration deleting wetland and woodland acreages from those areas. Vote. 7 Ayes. MOTION carried. Director Tremere raised a hypothetical question regarding a parcel of IP guided property in the west portion of the City, and whether this area may be changed to R1 -A. Director Tremere inquired whether Staff should consider retaining this area for an employment center, as part of the Land Use Guide Pian, including the possibility of guiding beyond the MUSA line. fi \ ©C-,— ' MOTION VOTE - MOTION CARRIED Planning Commission Minutes January 11, 1989 Page 11 Commissioner Wire inquired about how the transition and transportation in these areas would be addressed if Staff does not plan beyond the MUSA line. Director Tremere stated that in the next 5-10 years, the area now undeveloped in the western portion of the City will most likely be taken up for development and that the City may have to consider the land beyond the MUSA line in the Land Use Guide Plan. Discussion ensued as to land use guiding beyond the MUSA line. Director Tremere stated that there are developers that will be coming before the Planning Commission within the next 60 days asking for single family residential guiding in the western portion of the City where higher density and other than residential use is now guided. Commissioner Tierney stated that Staff should look into what other cities bordering the City have for land use in order to conform with them. Director Tremere asked the Planning Commission to continue reviewing the Land Use Guide Plan text and to indicate the following: (1) Does the, community structure concept still make sense? (2) Do the guide plan districts make sense? and (3) Look at the CS and CN district - does the City need both of these districts? Commissioner Zylla inquired if the City is looking at parks and open space in the western portion of the City. Director Tremere stated that both Eric Blank and Fred Moore are looking i nto it and that their input will be coming in the near future. Commissioner Stulberg asked if the Planning Commission is ready to appoint a new liaison to the Board of Zoning. Chairman Pauba stated that he would like to wait until next month. Commissioner Stulberg indicated that the City Council is taking applications for the Planning Commission on January 20, 1989. Commissioner Stulberg stated that he is willing to be the liaison to the Board of Zoning for another month. Commissioner Marofsky inquired as to the dates for the April Planning Commission meetings. =1 Ock-� Planning Commission Minutes January 11, 1989 Page 12 Director Tremere stated that they were the 12th and 26th of April. Meeting adjourned at 10:55 p.m. M CITY OF PLYMOUTH PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES SPECIAL MEETING JANUARY 18, 1989 The Special Meeting of the Planning Commission was called to order at 7:32 p.m. MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Pauba, Commissioners Stulberg, Zylla, Plufka, Marofsky, Tierney, and Wire (arrived at 7:45). MEMBERS ABSENT: None STAFF PRESENT: Community Development Coordinator Chuck Dillerud and Planning Secretary Jackie Watson Chairman Pauba opened the meeting by summarizing discussion of the January 11, 1989 meeting concerning Zoning Ordinance Amendments recommended by a Commission Subcommittee. Commissioner Plufka said that the questions before the Commission are: 1.) the presence of churches in low intensity residential areas; 2.) how lar e a church in a low intensity residential area should be; and, 3.}g given the size, how much impervious surface should be allowed. Commissioner Marofsky stated that he agreed with Commissioner Plufka, but felt that the intensity of use is the question. He questioned what limits should be put on large scale uses of any type in low density residential areas. Commissioner Marofsky handed out three different spread sheets he prepared for the Commission. The analyses covered parking, setbacks, impervious surface and lot coverage in varying degrees. He explained his reports to the Commission. After discussing the reports and answering the Commissioners questions, Commissioner Marofsky said that he felt that using impervious surface as a factor was more appropriate than seating. He further observed that control of use scale simply with increased setbacks is not practical. Commissioner Zylla suggested that the Commission look at the new handouts that were distributed by staff. Coordinator Dillerud discussed the memo "Standards for Lot Coverage" dated January 18, 1989. The memo discusses a model ordinance study sponsored by the American Planning Association and includes churches and other places of worship within its definition of indoor institutional uses. Planning Commission Minutes January 18, 1989 Page 14 A discussion on berming followed, with Commissioner Wire saying he felt that berming was a good idea but he questioned whether a church should be totally screened from its neighbors. Coordinator Dillerud suggested that berming is a good basis for establishing setback amounts. Using 3:1 slope a 3 foot berm requires just over 20 feet of horizontal distance. Commissioner Marofsky stated that berming standards would be subject to review with a variance request if there is a hardship. The Commissioners discussed the handout "Churches in Plymouth" which covered number of seats, street type, number of parking stalls, percent of building coverage, percent of parking coverage, and the total percentage of lot coverage. Commissioner Tierney observed that most existing churches in Plymouth had low impervious surface coverage. Commissioner Marofsky noted that impervious surface standards must be applied equally to all "other uses" if adopted in residential districts. Commissioner Wire summarized what had been concluded so far and what the concerns were to this point: streets and access, lot coverage, impervious surface with sufficient drainage, and buffer zones. Commissioner Plufka suggested that numbers must be set for setbacks, impervious surface and ground coverage. If there is a need for a deviation due to individual hardship then a variance can be requested. Coordinator Dillerud explained that the standards for ground coverage for residential is 20 percent and there should be equity for all types of development. Commissioner Tierney observed that only four churches would be over the 30% impervious coverage factor. Commissioner Plufka suggested establishing standards for churches of 20 feet for setbacks on all sides, 20 percent lot coverage by buildings, and 50 percent impervious surface including buildings. Discussion continued. Commissioner Stulberg suggested establishing a multiplier over existing setbacks for residential uses to be applied to "other" uses in residential zones. He also agreed with setting a maximum impervious surface. He stated that proper site screening/buffering could be addressed with the individual site plans. Commissioner Marofsky suggested that the degree of structure coverage must be proportionate to the degree of impervious coverage. •Planning Commission Minutes January 18, 1989 Page 15 Commissioner Tierney stated her preference for the "major collector" to be the least level of street to which "other use" access must be provided. Commissioner Marofsky suggested that control of scale could be accomplished through just setting the degree of total impervious coverage. Chairman Pauba called a Recess at 9:06. RECESS Chairman Pauba reconvened the meeting at 9:14 p.m. MOTION to amend by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded by Chairman MOTION TO AMEND Pauba that in R -1A, R -1B and R-2 zones the maximum impervious coverage of the site be 30% for all non-residential conditional uses. Roll call vote. 4 Ayes. Commissioners Wire, Zylla, and Plufka, VOTE - MOTION Nay. MOTION carried. CARRIED Commissioner Wire clarified his "no" vote stating he was not sure of the 30 percent figure. Commissioner Plufka also stated that his "no" vote was because he felt 30 percent was too restrictive and he felt 50 percent would be better. Commissioner Zylla stated that he remains concerned with the scale and intensity of activity in residential districts, and he does not feel that limiting impervious coverage will help. Commissioner Wire observed that a larger site might be better able to handle storm water run-off internally, and therefore higher impervious surface coverage may be possible in such cases. Commissioner Tierney stated that she supported impervious coverage limits but she is concerned that a result of such regulation may be additional land removed from the tax rolls. MOTION by Commissioner Plufka, seconded by Commissioner Stulberg MOTION TO AMEND to amend Section 10 Subdivision B Table 1 that all parking and drive setbacks be a minimum of 20 feet for non-residential use in residential zones. Roll Call Vote. 7 Ayes. MOTION carried. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED MOTION by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded by Commissioner Plufka MOTION TO AMEND to amend Section 8 Subdivision B; 6 that "Post -secondary, vocation or trade schools" be changed to conditional uses in a business district. Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes. Commissioner Wire, Nay. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED oc Planning Commission Minutes Z.� r•. January 16, 1989 Page 16 A MOTION to amend by Commissioner Tierney, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO AMEND Wire to strike proposed new Section 7, Subdivision D, 2a regarding maximum lot areas. Roll Call Vote. 2 Ayes. Commissioners Stulberg, Zylla, Marofsky, VOTE - MOTION Plufka and Chairman Pauba, Nay. MOTION failed. FAILS MOTION to amend by Commissioner Wire, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO AMEND Plufka to change proposed Section 7, Subdivision D, 1 d. to reduce minimum lot area in R-3 and R-4 districts to 3 acres. Roll Call Vote. 1 Aye. Commissioners Stulberg, Zylla, Tierney, MOTION FAILS Marofsky, Plufka and Chairman Pauba, Nays. MOTION failed. MOTION to amend by Commissioner Wire in Section 8 Subdivision B, 4 MOTION TO AMEND to delete boarding and lodging houses as B-2 and B-3 conditional uses. The motion died due to the lack of a second. MOTION DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND MOTION to amend by Commissioner Wire, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO AMEND Plufka to change proposed Section 8 Subdivision B, 37 from permitted use to conditional use in the B-1 zone. Roll Call Vote. 2 Ayes. Commissioners Stulberg, Zylla, Tierney, VOTE - MOTION Marofsky and Chairman Pauba, Nays. FAILS MOTION to amend by Commissioner Wire to change proposed Section 8 MOTION TO AMEND Subdivision B, 4 to prohibit theaters in the B-1 district. The motion died due to the lack of a second. MOTION DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND Roll Call Vote on MAIN MOTION as amended. 7 Ayes. MOTION VOTE - MAIN MOTICN carried. WITH FOUR AMENDMENTS CARRIES Chairman Pauba explained the Commission's recommendation will be sent to the City Council, probably for the February 6, 1989 meeting. The meeting adjourned at 10:20 p.m. CITY OF PLYMOUTH PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES JANUARY 25, 1989 The Regular Meeting of the Plymouth Planning Commission was called to order at 7:00 p.m. by Chairman Pauba. MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman David Pauba, Commissioners Michael Stulberg, Dennis Zylla, Richard Plufka, Larry Marofsky, and Joy Tierney. MEMBERS ABSENT: Commissioner John Wire. STAFF PRESENT: Community Development Director Blair Tremere, Associate Planner Al Cottingham, Planning Secretary Jackie Watson. *MINUTES MOTION TO APPROVE MOTION by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded by Commissioner Plufka, to approve the Minutes for January 11, 1989 with the following change: On Page 8, the last paragraph, the last sentence should read: "Commissioner Zylla stated the need to protect the integrity of a residential neighborhood." Vote. 6 Ayes. MOTION carried. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED Chairman Pauba introduced the request by Christ Memorial CHRIST MEMORIAL CHURCH, Church for a Conditional Use Permit for a Day Care Center. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT (87117) Chairman Pauba waived the reading of the January 10, 1989 Staff Report. Chairman Pauba introduced Mr. Ernest Pederson from Christ Memorial Church - Tender Learning Center. Mr. Pederson stated that the change in the operating hours for the day care center from 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. to 7:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. were more agreeable to the families in the area. He has heard no complaints on the change. Chairman Pauba opened the Public Hearing. There was no one present to speak on this issue. Chairman Pauba closed the Public Hearing. MOTION by Commissioner Plufka, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE Stulberg to approve the Conditional Use Permit. Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes. MOTION carried. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED �- oC- Planning Commission Minutes January 25, 1989 Page 18 Chairman Pauba introduced the request of Laukka-Williams LAUKKA-WILLIAMS PARKERS Parkers Lake for a MPUD Conditional Use Permit/Preliminary LAKE MPUD CONDITIONAL Plan/Final Plan Amendment and Variances for Signage at USE PERMIT/PRELIMINARY Parkers Lake Planned Unit Development. PLAN/FINAL PLAN AMENDMENT AND VARIANCES Associate Planner Al Cottingham gave the reading of the FOR SIGNAGE AT PARKERS Staff Report of January 10, 1989. LAKE (88140) Commissioner Plufka asked what the changes in the total square footage would be. Associate Planner Cottingham stated that the current total square footage was 373 square feet and the requested total would be 444 square feet. Chairman Pauba opened the Public Hearing. He introduced Mr. Earl Peterson of Cimarron East Homeowners Association. Mr. Peterson expressed his concern and the concern of neighbors in the area that trash from the Parkers Lake Development and a site to the north blows around the neighborhood and is not cleaned up. Chairman Pauba directed staff to look at the situation and see that it is taken care of. He also invited Mr. Peterson to notify staff if the situation is not improved. Chairman Pauba closed the Public Hearing. MOTION by Commissioner Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO TABLE Plufka to table the discussion until the petitioner, who was expected, arrived. Vote to Table. 6 Ayes. MOTION carried. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED Chairman Pauba opened the discussion of the Comprehensive COMPREHENSIVE PLAN Plan Update - Goals, Objectives and Criteria. REVIEW Director Tremere reported that staff had no recommended action for this evening. They are still awaiting input from the Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee and the Housing and Redevelopment Authority. Commissioner Tierney stated that they have input from the Board of Zoning Adjustments and Appeals that could be discussed. Commissioner Stulberg suggested the Commission wait to discuss any changes until input is received from all. Chairman Pauba called upon Director Tremere to discuss the Land Use Guide Plan items that were handed out this evening. Planning Commission Minutes January 25, 1989 Page 19 Director Tremere asked the Commission to read the Land Use Guide Plan element and to make sure the information is clear and timely. He suggested that subjects could be integrated into the Land Use Guide Plan if they needed to be. Director Tremere brought to the Commission's attention the memo from Associate Planner Cottingham on setting additional study sessions on land use. He suggested that the Commission set a schedule for the additional meetings tonight. The City Council has requested input on the Land Use Guide Plan by April and the process involves study, recommended changes, and then informing the public before any changes can be adopted., Director Tremere stated that concerns on the Land Use Guide Plan have come from residential developers and prospective property owners. He also mentioned that this is a unique opportunity for property owners to provide input and to suggest changes in the classification of property without a formal application. Commissioner Marofsky suggested setting the meeting dates noted in the memo and then if they complete the process earlier, the additional dates can be cancelled. Commissioner Plufka said that the extra work days are difficult for volunteers to give so much extra time but he felt the need to set an agenda for each meeting and list the issues. This would set the stage for the future discussions. Director Tremere indicated developers are beginning to look at the land in the west part of the City. This needs to be considered, since input can be expected regarding the classification and density of various properties. Commissioner Plufka stated that he felt all the information provided to date was useful. He felt the Commission needs to look at the following: 1) there is too little single family dwelling area left that is undeveloped; 2) the I-494 high density residential corridors are too wide; the natural amenities provide sufficient buffers and the Commission needs to determine whether the guiding is appropriate; 3) look at the artificial barriers in LA -1 and LA -2; 4) and look at the commercial areas including downtown Plymouth; there is too much neighborhood commercial development. Commissioner Marofsky asked if they wanted to use Commissioner's Plufka's recommendations as a focus. He suggested they get started on the task and then set the agenda for future meetings. Commissioner Tierney agreed. Commissioner Stulberg said that the issues should be discussed and that the Commission should not begin by changing numbers. Planning Commission Minutes January 25, 1989 Page 20 Director Tremere said that the proper procedure was to discuss the Goals, Objectives and Procedures first and that had been accomplished. The Land Use Guide Plan is next. Chairman Pauba reopened the discussion on the request of Laukka-Williams Parkers Lake. He introduced Mr. Gerald Mazzara from Laukka-Williams. Chairman Pauba informed Mr. Mazzara of the one petitioner who spoke earlier on the problem of trash blowing around the area. Mr. Mazzara said he would take care of the problem. Mr. Mazzara said he had no comments on the Staff Report. He showed the Commission a model of the Type B monuments he was requesting and said that all three subdivision areas would be lighted with soft lighting that would have no affect on the homeowner. Commissioner Stulberg asked Mr. Mazzara when he would apply for the sign permits. Mr. Mazzara said he would apply for the sign permits soon after the City Council approved the request. Commissioner Stulberg also restated the concern about the trash in the area and asked that Mr. Mazzara reaffirm his concern so that a condition would not have to be put in the resolution. Mr. Mazzara assured the Commission that he would take care of the problem. MOTION by Commissioner Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner Plufka to approve the request subject to the six variances listed. Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes. MOTION carried. Chairman Pauba reopened the discussion of the Land Use Guide Plan. Commissioner Marofsky stated he felt there was a problem in the LA -R area with the allowable density which should be a minimum of 20 acres per dwelling unit. The City can allow less than 20 now as the Zoning Ordinance reads 5 acres. Director Tremere stated that the Zoning Ordinance needed clarification. The City Policy and Subdivision Code do not permit platting of property in the rural area. Currently, a variance is needed. He said that if a property owner can divide land resulting in parcels that are at least 20 acres and 500 feet wide the owner can file with Hennepin County and the division can be made without City approval. The Zoning Ordinance requires 5 acres and 300 feet width and public street frontage before a permit can be issued for a single family dwelling. Commission Plufka did not see a problem with this. He said any changes must come after the land use on Seward side of MUSA line was determined in the western area. ---7- \ Oce LAUKKA-WILLIAMS PARKERS LAKE (88140 - CONTINUED) MOTION TO APPROVE VOTE - MOTION CARRIED =-\Uc` Planning Commission Minutes January 25, 1989 Page 21 Commissioner Marofsky discussed whether LA -1 areas are over 1/3 acre from a collector. He suggested that buffering would be better than distance restrictions. Commissioner Stulberg questioned whether there is enough LA - 1 land. There is only 39.2 percent and 85 percent is already guided. He said that the major percentage of land left is LA -R. He asked the Commission whether they would classify the land differently if they were starting with all new land and would they do it differently than it was done. He felt the current percentages did not look out of line but maybe some areas were• in the wrong classification and that some trade-offs could be made. He also questioned whether the Commission was reacting to market conditions. Commissioner Tierney said the Commission was reacting to market conditions and that they need to be aware of trends for the long term. Associate Planner Cottingham responded that the LA -1 was not up to LA -2 density and had only 2.6 units per acre. Commissioner Plufka stated that there are four land classes but developers normally want only the high and low densities and that is what is being built. Commissioner Stulberg said he felt that the density ranges/options were intentional and had merit. Ten years from now the City will not have the time and opportunity to change the plan available today; thus, we should be cautious before deleting districts or classifications. Commissioner Plufka commented on the area south of County Road 9 and east of I-494 that is narrow and has multiple residential units adjacent to single family units and the areas north of County Road 9, east of Fernbrook and east of I-494 which are LA -3. The LA -3 area extends a long way from the highway. Commissioner Marofsky said he did not feel the differential between LA -1 and LA -2 was necessary. He's seen LA -2 changed to LA -3 in the Prudential area. Commissioner Stulberg commented on a Commission study several years ago called "the Larson Report" and how the reduction in land size did not reduce home cost significantly. Commissioner Marofsky suggested taking some of the LA -3 land and placing it in a lower class for single family dwellings. Director Tremere commented on the observations of Commissioner Tierney on trends and Commissioner Stulberg on plan elements and how they can be tied together. Planning Commission Minutes January 25, 1989 Page 22 Twenty years ago the Planning Commission looked to the future when there was a lot of land. Currently there is not as much land left, and the Commission needs to look to the next 10 years. Plymouth growth is 2,000 people per year and developers are anxiously anticipating future sewer lines. Commissioner Stulberg said developers feel there is not enough LA -1 land and we could consider providing more by reclassifying selected areas. Director Tremere discussed some of the CL and CS guided land where there is prime wooded area. A residential developer could preserve more wooded area than could a commercial developer. Commissioner Marofsky said that residential areas do not necessarily preserve more wooded area and that a high rise could preserve just as much of the wooded area. If the high density corridors along freeways and interchanges are too deep, it should be noted that there are single family dwellings along the highways. The Commission needs to decide whether industrial land belongs along the highways. If residential is appropriate, then what type of residential. Commissioner Tierney stated that intersecting highways are the lifeblood for business. Industrial land is needed near the highways with the residential areas behind them. She commented that there is not much industrial land left and that industrial land should not be tucked away. Commissioner Marofsky said the definition of industrial is archaic. There is no provision for the high tech industries. The concept of office to warehouse and office to residential doesn't fit with the future. Commissioner Zylla said he agrees with the Wire proposal to downgrade residential guiding in certain areas and is supportive of larger lots. He disagrees with Commissioner Plufka in that he feels we need more neighborhood commercial development. This type of commercial development he felt aids the standard of living, and a high standard of City services with lower tax rates. He also stated that he wants more active parks and the preservation of the natural amenities. Commissioner Zylla said there are two things: 1) the conflict on changing residential and, 2) the decision as to whether the Commission changes nonresidential land to residential land in response to market demand. He said he is a low density advocate and would like to keep the LA -R density. He stated that it causes problems when penalties are assessed on applications when the land is down guided and developers are denied when they want to develop at less than the guided density. --- `oma . Planning Commission Minutes January 25, 1989 Page 23 Director Tremere stated that the assessment policy is based on land use. If the policy were changed to downgrade and reguide, then the higher assessment rates would be adjusted. Assessment is made on the basis of the guiding. Discussion on Planned Unit Developments followed. Commissioner Plufka there was better control in the PUD and that the open space and streets keep the density down. Commissioner Tierney felt PUDs were the way to go. Director Tremere stated that the developers like the PUDs because the calculated density is pure. The number of units can exceed the conventional lot in all cases without bonus points. Director Tremere stated that developers would go along with lot size reduction for conventional lot sizes also if that was changed. Chairman Pauba asked the audience if they had any comments on the discussion. There were no comments. Commissioner Stulberg reaffirmed his feeling that some changes may be needed, but the system is not "broke" thus, there is not a great need to "fix" it. Commissioner Marofsky said that the CS and CM need some change and the difference in the two areas needs to be defined. Commissioner Stulberg suggested they could be define or merged. Commissioner Tierney said CS referred to service establishments Commissioner Stulberg mentioned that he felt IP land is limited and should be located on the major roadways. Director Tremere questioned whether the Commission wanted to consider constraints for areas that could be traded. Commissioner Marofsky stated that the Commission should go further on the review of sensitive land use, highway use and thoroughfares through the wetlands. Commissioner Plufka requested a copy of a current base map of Plymouth. Commissioner Stulberg suggested taking sections of the map and setting the agenda in this way. Commissioner Plufka suggested that the meeting on February 2, 1989 be used to discuss the Interstate Corridor and the corridor along Planning Commission Minutes January 25, 1989 Page 24 Highway 169. The next meeting could then be spent discussing the area west of Vicksburg and Medicine Lake. Director Tremere suggested continued review of the Land Use Guide Plan and data handed out at earlier meetings. Chairman Pauba said farewell to the Commission stating that it had been an enjoyable experience. The Commissioners thanked him for his service to the City. The meeting adjourned at 10:00 p.m. Minutes of the Park and Recreation Advisory Commission Meeting January 12, 1989 Page 1 Present: Chair Edwards, Commissioners Anderson, LaTour, Beach, Rosen and Hanson; staff Blank, Patterson and Pederson 1. CALL TO ORDER Chair Edwards called the January meeting to order at 7:31 p.m. in the Council Chambers. 2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES A motion was made by Commissioner LaTour and seconded by Commissioner Rosen to approve the minutes of the December meeting as presented. The motion carried with all ayes. 3. VISITOR PRESENTATIONS a. Athletic Associations. None were present at this meeting. b. Sta Mary Patterson discussed the youth ski trip scheduled for Monday, January 16, and explained that Plymouth had two full buses of students registered. She stated that the recreation survey was being mailed to 377 residents on Friday, January 13. She discussed the Fire & Ice Festival schedule of events and confirmed that PRAC would be supervising the bonfire and might be involved in assisting with s'more making. She indicated that a couple of recreation division charts were missing from the draft copy of the annual report, but would be included in the final copy. c. Others. None were present at the meeting. 4. REPORT ON PAST COUNCIL ACTION a. Selection of Three Architect Finalists -Community Center, Director Blank stated that the Council approved the selection of the three architects recommended by the Selection Committee. 5. UNFINISHED BUSINESS a. West Medicine Lake Drive Trail -Public Meeting. Director Blank briefly reviewed previous steps and procedures that have been taken with regard to the proposed trail along West Medicine Lake Drive. He talked about the public meeting that had been held last August which was attended by approximately 125 concerned residents, and he stated that those residents had made three points very clear - there is a definite need for a trail, park improvements are desired, and residents want to continue to drive along the lake shore. Director January 1989 PRAC Minutes Page 2 Blank then shared with the audience and the Commission an overhead projection displaying three alternative routes for this proposed trail. He then explained the reasons for staff's recommendation of Alternative #2 which are: overall project cost, minimal disruption of existing residential property, residents will be able to continue driving along the lake, and the lake shore within West Medicine Lake Park will be more recreational in nature. Paul Schwebach, 11808 18th Avenue, stated that part of the proposed route for Alt. #2 is through a swamp and that he is concerned with how costly it will be to fill it. When questioned, staff responded that soil tests have not yet been done of this area. Dan Bernier, 2650 Norwood Lane, stated that he also is concerned about this swampy area. He asked if the homes on 23rd would be purchased, how wide the street would be when it's rerouted and how the trail would be separated from the street, since it's not very wide in places. Director Blank stated that there were no plans at this time to purchase any homes on 23rd Avenue. He stated that the trail would be paved along the edge of the street and would probably be separated from the street by curb and gutter. He wasn't sure at this time how wide the new street would be. Erika Urban, 1541 West Medicine Lake Drive, said that she was concerned with the "unofficial" boat launch near their home and how this boat launch could be controlled and would their property be assessed for the construction of the trail. Director Blank indicated that there are no plans at this time to assess the property owners. Marjorie Demeules, 1749 West Medicine Lake Drive, requested that plans and specifications be made available to residents once a final decision has been made. James Bosch, 1830 Forestview Lane, stated that he has lived at his current address since 1975 and recently made some costly improvements to his property. He stated he would rather see West Medicine Lake Drive turned into a one-way. His feeling is that the realignment of the road through the swamp will have a negative impact on the wild life inhabiting that area. He has no problems with the trail being constructed, but does not favor realignment of the street. Director Blank indicated that he had talked with Public Works Director, Fred Moore, about the feasibility of a one-way street, and Mr. Moore's reaction was that it isn't practical unless a one-way in the opposite direction can be arranged within two blocks. Joe Bergland, 2319 Kirkwood Lane, does not favor a one-way street. He does favor Alternative #2 and asked if a guardrail separating the trail from the street had been considered. Director Blank stated that to add a guardrail would cost approximately $75,000. Gordon Olson, 1615 Evergreen Lane, stated he was in favor of Alternative #2. He asked if there was some way the City could slow down the boat traffic in the narrow channel by the West beach. January 1989 PRAC Minutes Page 3 At the conclusion of input from the residents, Director Blank stated that he had received a few phone calls and letters from people who could not attend the meeting. Two callers and two of the letter writers favored Alternative #2. One caller favored Alternative #3 and the other letter writer was requesting improvements, in general, to West Medicine Lake Drive, because he runs along the shoulder as a means to stay fit, and he is concerned with his safety. Commissioner Rosen questioned the reasons for staff recommending Alternative #2. After looking at the overhead projection, he stated that it appeared Alternative #1 was in fact the cheapest and the least disruptive to the property owners, and it still allowed the residents to drive along the lake shore. He also stated that by PRAC recommending Alternative #2, they would be doing so with the assumption that there would be no disruption of property. Director Blank pointed out that you cannot make that assumption. He said the rerouting of West Medicine Lake Drive would probably come very close to some homeowners' property, but he didn't know how close at this time. Commissioner Hanson stated that the only reason she could see for recommending Alternative #2 is that it gets the street away from the lake and reroutes it through the park. Commissioner LaTour indicated her concurrence with getting West Medicine Lake Drive away from the beach area. A MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER BEACH AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HANSON RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF ALTERNATIVE #2 AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF WITH THE MAIN REASON BEING REALIGNMENT OF THE STREET AWAY FROM THE LAKE SHORE. THE MOTION CARRIED WITH ALL AYES. b.Parkers Lake Update. Director Blank stated that corrections in the kitchen have been made in order to meet health code requirements. He also stated that the arts and crafts sink in the storage room is now in place. c. Plymouth Creek Park Parking Lot Improvements Director Blank briefly reviewed the report prepared by Bonestroo on the parking lot improvement project. Ninety-three additional stalls have been proposed at a cost of $805 per stall, along with the construction of two small storm sewer systems. An existing storm sewer needs to be removed. The Commission asked if the charge for the storm sewers would come out of this project budget also, and Director Blank indicated it would. COMMISSIONER BEACH MOVED AND COMMISSIONER HANSON SECONDED A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PARKING LOT EXPANSION PROJECT AT PLYMOUTH CREEK PARK. THE MOTION CARRIED WITH ALL AYES. d. Comprehensive Plan Uudate. Director Blank displayed two large maps showing the comprehensive trail system -and the comprehensive park system and explained to the Commission what changes to the parks and trails he is proposing. He suggested that PRAC.hold a public meeting January 1989 PRAC Minutes Page 4 in March at which time interested residents could state their opinions. It is at this meeting that the Park Commission should make their recommendation regarding the Comprehensive Plan update. The Planning Department will be holding public hearings in March, also. The re -wording of items 10, 12 and 14 of the Comprehensive Plan as suggested by FRAC at their December meeting was reviewed for any other changes. Following a brief discussion, COMMISSIONER ROSEN MADE A MOTION WHICH WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HANSON TO ACCEPT THE REWORDING OF THOSE ITEMS AND FORWARD THEM TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THE MOTION CARRIED WITH ALL AYES. e. Community Center Update. Director Blank reviewed the revised calendar of future meeting dates and how the plans for the community center are scheduled to progress. He stated that the meeting on January 19 will be chaired by Jerry Sisk. Pre -written questions and answers will be available as a hand-out for citizens to pick up before the meeting, which should help eliminate some of the repetition of questions. Ann Ehneich, 1461 West Medicine Lake Drive, was concerned with a letter to the editor she saw in a local newspaper which said that every Plymouth tax payer had been taxed $160 to build the community center. Staff and PRAC responded that this information was incorrect and went on to explain to Mrs. Ehneich how the City has proposed to fund the construction if the community center is built. 6.. NEW BUSINESS a. New Plats. There were no new plats. b. Annual Report Draft. The annual report was briefly reviewed by PRAC. Commissioner Hanson suggested that staff include under the "Highlights" section all the meetings and tours PRAC participated in regarding their study of the community center project. 7. COMMISSION PRESENTATION Chair Edwards thanked the commissioners for their effort in attending the meetings in 1988. 8. STAFF COMMUNICATION Director Blank stated that the deadline for receiving applications for the vacancy on the Park Commission is January 20. 9. ADJOURNMENT The meeting adjourned at 10:05 p.m. 0 Av -has*-.bsane ...-,a Staff Writer In* explattfing- Gu -v,, Rudy R-rpicWis bu4got 1#-.Vrious groups ti lis - week r Fuz z' OMMISmonex Tom ,lautcha -int6- a -little s vh Pek .Ll abou black hole, of state- fi- apne This phebonte1lonTriplett d#- '- as sAirlirig Mae's of atoll Ai nAlys -40 -local.aid Ziormulas and P-rOP—CnY- ref fier- Programs that Money 46-05 -k T Local jOV' I A at -ftfift pa tx of SGverjjmp� -dist: at.-*V*rt h . -'s, eMj4"tn CIA crates --method of 6-4ributing -is -�'ho * * 1FanUI vAl. _91Dvi hey to L r -JOYCMments :PMP_ert*Y * - inkusive and "teiribly. COM- Y Perpich intends i , *hOMAAe*:*1 I -giving% enough 0 Ci - t6!:"d *512tu 19991-4 M-- �sh --hard ig,the - Story h6re' tem. depito oppolifi0o from1061 MM603 who rightfully SuSPWI thAt -ndithorn IvE ix: such as sma - 11 tq�;ns ii W* wsota - that-,-4omi4ow. Aret: able to & C&d. 41t Finame CommissionerTorn Triplett answered questions from reporters about t6;�tr�ei —1 budget -Budge- I"' Contioued from page ID maintain full-time fire departments — (lit state has never proved that the system drives up spending, Hcre are some facts That nobody de« nies, In 1987 about $3.7 billion was sent from the State treasury Io local governments, From another perspec- tive, while -local governments raised only about 39 per of all the re -ve- nue calleacd in the state, they acn counted for 65 percent of the spend- ing, - This is not unusual. In most states, The state governments do most of the taxing while foal governments do ra,3st of the spending, Minnesota was; -a pioneer in this trend toward intergovernmental transfer 4vriug the 1970& In land. mark legistation called the Minnesota Miracle, the Legislature shifted the iburden cif paying for public schools fiom the one . mous property tax to the more progressive ineomZ tax. This -shift was praised because it meant that the quality of public schools Trt: no longer dependent on The vat- arsurrounding Property. Atli Minnesota continvcd to tinker tkIts systrm, building in complex - and extending PIC to other levels of gov- CrllMtnL As a result, the state is Sending ever- increasing amounmof money to local governments and has httlt: knowl- edge of exactly how it is spent and whether it is well spent. Another assessment of what -fiap- pened is offered by House Minority' Uader Bill Schreiber, JR -Brooklyn Park, who- say-, the formulas .* have been manipulated for politicM pur. pow$, to the detriment of the Sub- urbs (where lots of Republicans Jive) and to the benefit of northcastern Minnesota {where lots of DemocraU* lwve):' ` - Whatever the interpretation, there seems to -be a consensus that the Minnesota Miracle has bec-ornic, the minnclota Monster, Indeed, ies a bit disturbing when the chief executive of the state says, as Perpich did in a letter to editors Iasi week, that -No one person fallNun- der,qands the total state -local finance sywm." Still, this session is not fike- ly to produce a mp-to-bottom re- structuring, The 1990 clections are too Clow for a sweeping overhaul, and Triplett says incremental im- provernents, are all that can be ex - Some made last year, Triplett mends,.. ltee the SlAte took- f4fi-:-fCA0_Qft&iIYjfity for fieancing the: Welihmr p s:*-Ihat state law requim., Thi .1)*slatare also passed a lacy; whkii.*11-take eftet in a year or -s6 x _'Mqujms --*. *: * - - local m enis to V'V'-notice of tile .C-* .Ad ma -am ---Proptrty-'44,effbiu on each or their h tiyear for a state IavcJAH _Ooifi Ws . _r. .. - costs and elimma- -3 on,: 6r, -�Uiswiktatj on of some- local 0-4-nnkitv, i4 k6ujas, Hes- VA - i _� g '16br A tou! UM liar a study of s- M mpant at 'heof Per- wperty taxes. publicaiii hind:school district bfficials am claii-ningthal-it will send OropertY taxes tfii6uO the-iudf, -by as much as 10 percent a "-year year in The next two years. Tripim contends that a small- er mere isinurelikely, Thew are spim"t of The brightest peo- ple in ftle toVemment, and their wildly differint*interpretatl'*tl-,,of-the same amential facts Would seem to demomti4te that -Minnesota's system of gavernment finances could use some improvement. JOIN THE BROOKLYN CENTER COMMUNITY CENTER NO INITIATION FEE! OPEN 7 DAYS A WEEK! Id' • Aerobic Cycles * Leight Equipment • Paramount Gym • Sauna • Preow Cross- • 50 meter indoor Country Ski Olympx Pool machine • Snack Bar • Game room / . MEMBERSHIP RATES 60 Metrtbedtip a1W,, ate ttta " b as uaa d me aeenmirtp Pool. ow- e" room ane sauna durNtp tarnw 110" or "apse" ped'a. FAMILY: a none* a norms + "0 ;80 $138 $228 INDIVIDUAL: a noon* a none* t VOW $46 $75 $127 aFamily anWaabip wia b• analee b alld dlild a asittp at horta d aps and ewer. SENIOR ADULT RATES 9 nwO msmbsrship for Breoldyn Centerrwidants 62 yaws i deer—st79=Ada InIDMfor Sena, Adune rMwant or non• twe.td 62 yes a oder. s1.75. GENERAL ADMISSION: Adult (18 a over) .....$2.50 Youth (15-17) ........$2.00 Children (6-14) .......!1.75 0?HER FEATURES: Morning Chilgtare IMordayFrklsv or ages 6 mo. b up. Aerobic, Fitness and Aqua Exercise classes at eatable rates. ANY GENERAL ADMISSION j 5O •6.11 years ...................52.71) •t5--2 t yea►a .................. sz.00 • 225 b otrer ..$2.1)0 • 62 s over ................... $1.75 6901 sh atle creek Pkwy. Center. MN av 561.5448 al>N�NNa1Mab���tts 3 BROOKLYN CENTER =' PARKS & RECREATION it< DEPARTMENT 6301 Shingle Creek Pkwy. 5615448. . 3 THE SHIFTING SUBURBS: ISSUES FOR THEIM9901S Bill Morris President. Decision Resources, Ltd. Presem d to: The Municipal Legislative Commission February 2, 1989 s: Presem d to: The Municipal Legislative Commission February 2, 1989 SENSE OF OPTIMISM Percent 70 60 .............................................................................................................................................................................................................. 50 ......... ....................... ...... ................................................................................................................................................................................ ......... ....... ...... ........ .. 40................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ 30 ...........................................................................................................................................................................................I............................................................ 20........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... 10........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... 0 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 Year - � Right Direction Wrong Track Decision Resources, Ltd. an Ilk WN F1 YE Commitment to Focus Declelon Resources, Ltd. Decided 25 New Airport Favor 38 Undecided 14 Oppose 48 Decision Resources, Ltd. 00 3, 9e -Election Intentic • ■T R.D. VAIOENBERG 10505 40TH AVE NO. PL.YMOM,MN 55441 - - ---- -- ---------- - -- - �c �t r OIL - n, January 30, 1989 Carole Peterson do Third Grade Class Sunny Hollow Elementary School 8808 Medicine Lake Road New Hope, MN 55427 SUBJECT: MY VISIT TO YOUR CLASS CITY OF PLYMOUThF Dear Ms. Peterson and Third Grade Students: Thank you for sending me your well-written letters about my visit to your class last week. I especially enjoyed the opportunity to talk with you about my work as Mayor of Plymouth and the operation of your city government (that is, if you are a Plymouth resident). One of the students' letters, from Melissa, asked me whether it was possible for a woman to become Mayor. My answer is, YES! Whether a person is a male or female has nothing to do with that individual's ability to become Mayor, Governor or President for that matter. You may find it interesting to know that the City of Golden Valley has a woman Mayor. Her name is Mary Anderson. Mayor Anderson has been with Golden Valley for a number of years now, and I would rank her as among one of the finest public officials that I know. I look forward to meeting you again in the future. In the meantime, if I can be of any assistance to you, please let me know. Sincerely, Virgil Schneider Mayor VS:jm 3400 PLYMOUTH BOULEVARD, PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447, TELEPHONE (612) 559-2800 Wayza><=> tEvangelical Free Church 705 Flighway 101 North, Minneapolis, MN 55447 (612) 4,70 1 January 26, 1989 ��' {^yr♦ir /W/L��l/(�p�Til . � I Mr. Jim Wills, City Manager 3400 Plymouth Blvd. Plymouth, MN 55447 Dear Mr. Wills: On January. 18, 1989 the Planning Commission of the City of Plymouth made an historical decision to become'pioneers.' They are the first community nationwide to impose regulations on "Places of Worship" that will restrict their growth In residential areas. As a representative of a church that is greatly Impacted by this ordinance I_ want to object to Ordinance No. 88. 4 . First, as the ordinance stands we would not be able to add one square foot of Impervious surface to our existing site. 1 do not need to reiterate our desire to expand our parking facilities. last Sunday, January 22nd, our lot was over -flowing from 9:30-10:45 am. People parked in driveways, on the neighborhood streets, and at our property on 8th Avenue. We stili have hopes that we can develop and meet our needs, as well as the neighbors. The 30% coverage by Impervious surfaces seems arbitrary and capricious. If the setbacks and opacity of a Conditional Use Permit are already in place why does coverage need to be a factor? Second, we question the legality of regulating the maximum lot size a privately owned organization may have. Places of Worship do not have the same function as 'libraries, museums, post offices, etc." Third, we have foamed from the City that It Is beneficial to go beyond what the law requires and dialogue with our neighbors when making decisions that impact them. The Council, in fact, insisted on this action at the September meeting when we presented plans for a parking lot expansion. i believe the City has now violated that advice by not seeking Input from the churches in Plymouth. The communication has been confusing and the process rushed which could cause us to question your motives and Intent. it would do much for the image of Plymouth to work with the churches. Churches attract people to a community while serving many of their needs; churches do not ask for dollars as other service organizations do. Our growth is representative of the demographic reality in all of Plymouth. There are 225 families (almost 900 people) from our church who live in Plymouth. -As the Carlson Company and 1394 attract folks west, growth is inevitable. We are here to help the people of Plymouth. This ordinance will restrict our ability to do that. Sincerely, AV, I. Peggy L Nestor Administrator PLN:jf _ -\::?(" January 30, 1989 Mayor Virgil Schneider 11520 54tl Avenue North Plymouth, M. 55442 Dear Mayor Schneider: I understand that the City of Plymouth is spending its time and resources to find a way to regulate church size and growth by means of city ordinance. What is going on? Are we over -staffed at the City? Is there a shortage of real work to go around? I sense that many people question whether or not they receive full value for their tax dollar. I think you are going to discover that many of your constituents question the wisdom of spending staff time and resources, and thus tax dollars, on this particular issue. I was raised and educated to believe that government exists to serve the people. This type of action you are considering causes me to wonder if you, the other councilmembers and City staff agree with this principle. I view this proposed ordinance as an arrogant intrusion, an example of government sticking it to the people. I will follow the proceedings with interest. Common sense dictates that you will act to keep the City of Plymouth removed from involvement with this matter by voting against the ordinance. However, even though this is the right decision, part of me wants to see you vote for the ordinance. Because at that point, this will undoubtedly become a media issue, and it will be fascinating to watch you explain your actions to the Twin Cities community at large. I look forward to your deliberations at the Council meeting on February 6th. Sincerely, Thomas A. Hagen 2405 Black Oaks Lane Plymouth, M. 55447 cc: Councilwoman Maria Vasiliou Councilman Robert Zitur Councilman JPrn, Si.qk Councilman Lloyd Ricker City Manager Jim Willis City Planner Blair Tremere January 30, 1989 FEB .2 Virgil Schneider, Mayor - City of Plymouth City of Plymouth 3400 Plymouth Bldg. Plymouth, MN 55447 Dear Mr. Schneider: Upon receipt of my property tax statement for 1989, I was once again shocked and amazed at the utter audacity of your organization! How on earth can you justify an increase of 9.4% or $417.00. Taxation without representation is an understatement!!! You people are totally out of your minds! I now pay $5019.17 state tax and $4847.06 property tax, for a total of $9866.23. That's 12.8% of my income! There is no fairness to your system. It's a disgrace! I have owned houses in Michigan, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania prior to moving to Minnesota. Your services are no better! The quality of life is much lower! Care to comment!? ZSicere1 , William B. Hamarman Concerned Citizen cc Rudy Perpich, Governor Virgil Schneider, Mayor/City of Plymouth Dave Durenberger, US Senator Rudy Boschwitz, US Senator Bill Frenzel, US Representative Warren Limner, MN State Representative Patrick McGowan, MN State Senate ADDENDUM 1) Comparison of State and Property Taxes - As a home owner • Michigan 1979 - Total taxes - $2542.60 - State ($1330.60) 7.7% of Income Prop. ($7212.00) • New Jersey 1983 - Total taxes - $2872.00 - State ($1011.00) 6.5% of Income Prop. ($1861.00) • Pennsylvania 1985 - Total taxes - $4728.06 - State ($1424.03) 7.9% of Income Prop. ($3304.03) 2) Why is it that Rudy Perpich pays $500.00/yr. for his $239,000.00 home on the Iron Range, when in Plymouth we pay 10 TIMES MORE11 I MEMO CITY OF PLYMOUTH 3400 PLYMOUTH BOULEVARD, PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447 DATE: February 1, 1989 TO: James G. Willis, City Manager FROM: Fred G. Moore, 6 -rector of Public Works SUBJECT: DRAINAGE DITCH ADJACENT TO 35 NATHAN LANE WILLOW GROVE CONDOMINIUMS Today, I talked with Patrick Foley about the annual meeting of the homeowners in the Willow Grove Condominiums. My call was a follow-up to the letter which I had sent him and the report I made on July 23, 1989, to the City Council. I asked Mr. Foley if my letter had resolved the drainage ditch question, or if there were any additional questions. He stated that there were no additional questions at this time, but he did not know if the matter was resolved. He further stated that he and some of the other homeowners were questioning the City's authority to do drainage work within the area designated as a "drainage easement" on the plat. I suggested that he contact Jim Thomson with regard to the authority that this dedication on the plat gives the City of Plymouth. We also discussed that all of the work which was performed was to maintain the existing drainage ditch. He stated that he had people researching the matter within his office and he would do his own research. He also stated that he was used to suing governmental agencies. I called Jim Thomson to inform him of my telephone conversation and that he may be receiving a call from Mr. Foley. Mr. Foley is not looking for any additional information from the City of Plymouth and he will contact us if he wants any additional information, or to meet on this matter. FGM:kh -7-- �Z9 r SENIOR COMMUNITY SERVICES 1001 Highway 7, Hopkins, Minnesota 55343 933-9311 BOARD of DIRECTORS Joseph Dillon President Merlyn `Doc' Meier tst Vice President Dear Mr. Willis: Alison Fuhr 2nd Vice President Senior Community Services is honoring the senior Ed Gerber volunteers of your community at our annual Volunteer Secretary Recognition, Celebration. Connie McCullough Treasurer Please distribute the Volunteer Party invitations, and Senator Gen Olson include it on the Council meeting agenda. At -Large Barbara Thatcher An award will be presented to your city by a senior At -Large citizen volunteer from your community. We sincerely Leonard Kopp hope all members of the council or a representative will Past President attend to receive this award. John Blaser Karl Dansky Robert DeGhetto Ed Fuller Commissioner Tad Jude Walter Levesque Bob Miller Steve Rood Ryan Schroeder Thomas Ticen Benjamin F. Withhart Executive Director 0 A United Way Supported Agency We will make a follow-up phone call to obtain the names of the representatives who will attend the event. Sincerely, :e7inamin F. Withhart Executive Director 3 i� VOLUNTEERSVOLUNTEERSVOLUNTEERSVOLUNTEERSVOLUNTEERS W W F- _ O.Y W W z ' J .O C0 W �~ J O. ( OC W W z D J O U) W W z O ,. U) cc w z D J O You Are Invited To Join c -Zi < O A Box Dinner will be served at 5 p.m. M m C ` SENIOR COMMUNITY SERVICES U) i < O k -- 1 1 - -. In Thanking the, Senior Volunteers` M From Your Community c : O at a c -,- ; z VOLUNTEER RECOGNITION PARTY m. _ Cn Wednesday, March 15,1989 Eisenhower Community Center; z. 1001 Highway 7, Hopkins ; m: I_ to r C i M M = A Senior Volunteer will Present a Representative < From Your City With An Award r- . c -Zi A Box Dinner will be served at 5 p.m. M m Awards will be presented at 5:30 p.m. U) i < O k Please RSVP by March 9, 1989 1 1 To Senior Community Services 933-9311 M c : VOLUNTEERSVOLUNTEERSVOLUNTEERSVOLUNTEERSVOLUNTEERS 10