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CITY OF PLYMOUTH
AGENDA
Special City Council
September 5, 2019, 5:30 PM
1. CALL TO ORDER
2. TOPICS
2.1 Receive schematic design for the Plymouth Creek Center Renovation and Expansion
Project
Project Outline
Project Timeline
General Feedback Comments
FlashVote results
Presentation Handouts
2.2 Amend date to consider amendments to Site Plan and Conditional Use Permit for
Oakwood Elementary School, 17340 County Road 6 (Wold Architects & Engineers
– 2019055)
August 27 Council Minutes
Planning Commission Minutes
Planning Commission Report
Resident Letters
Site Map
Aerial Photo
Notification Map
Plans
Resolution
3. ADJOURN
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Special City
Council
September 5, 2019
Agenda
Number:2.1
To:Dave Callister, City Manager
Prepared by:Kari Hemp, Recreation Manager
Reviewed by:Diane Evans, Parks and Recreation Director
Item:Receive schematic design for the Plymouth Creek Center
Renovation and Expansion Project
1. Action Requested:
Receive and review schematic design and cost estimates for the Plymouth Creek Center Renovation
and Expansion Project. The City Council will consider approval of the schematic design and consider
proceeding with design/construction documents at the September 10 Council meeting.
2. Background:
The Plymouth Creek Center Renovation and Expansion Project began in 2016 with the feasibility
study and progressed to a community engagement process during 2018. Currently the project is in
the schematic design process. During the past three years, information has been presented, shared
or received at eight council meetings, nine study sessions, five special events, four open houses,
two flash vote surveys, Social Pinpoint, six Plymouth News articles and a special edition of the
Plymouth news mailed to each address in Plymouth.
During the July 23 Council study session, staff and HGA presented schematic design information
which included the following documents: site plan, facility floor plans, and an exterior design
update. Staff provided information regarding the open house and Flash Vote results and discussed
referendum impact.
Staff will share project history and present the schematic design and cost estimates at this study
session. Documents will be provided at the meeting to allow the necessary time for consultants to
finalize them.
Proposed Milestone Dates:
September 10 – Accept schematic design and authorize design/construction documents
June 2020 – Design/construction documents complete
June/July 2020- Bonding notification received from the state
July-August 2020 – Bid process
August/September 2020- Construction begins
September 2022- Project completion
This same presentation will be provided at the September 10 regular Council meeting.
3. Budget Impact:2
The projected cost of an 111,410 total square foot (GSF) building, including the renovation and
expansion, is $51.6 million. The tax impact to homeowners of a $300,000 to $500,000 home would
range from $78 to $135 annually.
4. Attachments:
Project Outline
Project Timeline
General Feedback Comments
FlashVote results
Presentation Handouts
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PLYMOUTH
CREEK CENTER
PROJECT OUTLINE
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
FEASIBILITY
COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT
RFP PROCESS
PRAC
STUDY SESSIONS
COUNCIL MEETINGS
CITY COMMUNICATION
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FEASIBILITY
2016 - AUGUST
Staff hired HGA to complete feasibility study
2017 - APRIL 11
Study Session: 2016-2017 PCC Feasibility Study
“Feasibility findings”
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2018 - MAY 15-AUGUST 28
Social Pinpoint
2018 - MAY 16
Open house
2018 - JUNE 26
Open house
2018 - JUNE 27
Farmers Market
2018 - JULY 11
Music in Plymouth
2018 - JULY 17
Water Ski Show
2018 - JULY 17-19
Flash Vote
2018 - AUGUST 2
Kids Fest
2018 - AUGUST 13
Open house
2018 - AUGUST 22
Pie Day
2019 - JULY 9
Open house
2019 - JULY 9-11
Flashvote
COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT
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2019 - FEBRUARY 20
Staff solicited RFP’s for Architectural Firms (21)
2019 - FEBRUARY 27
Staff conducted a pre-submittal meeting with architectural firms
2019 - MARCH 8
Staff received (9) RFP’s
2019 - MARCH 14
Staff reviewed (9) RFP’s and narrowed to (4) for PRAC review
2019 - MARCH 15
Staff interviewed Construction Managers (CM)
(RJM & Kraus-Anderson)
2019 - MARCH 22
Staff selected RJM as CM for the project
2019 - APRIL 9
Authorize Contractual Agreement for Schematic Design with
Architectural Firm and Construction Manager
RFP PROCESS
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PRAC
2018 - JUNE 14
PCC Community Engagement
2018 - NOVEMBER 8
Plymouth Creek Center Community Engagement Results
2019 - MARCH 21
Plymouth Creek Center Architectural RFP review and rank four
architectural firms
2019 - MAY 9
Commissioners review initial building plans and
architectural designs
2019 - JUNE 13
HGA presented schematic designs, program spaces, and
parking options
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STUDY SESSIONS
2017 - APRIL 11
2016-2017 PCC Feasibility Study Findings
2018 - FEBRUARY 13
Discussion on Expansion and Renovation of the
Plymouth Creek Center - Approval to hire HGA and initiate
community engagement process
2019 - FEBRUARY 12
Plymouth Creek Center Renovation and/or Expansion -
Initiate RFP process for architect for schematic design
2019 - APRIL 3
Architectural Firm phone interview with Mayor
2019 - APRIL 9
Plymouth Creek Center Architectural Firm Interviews (3 Firms)
2019 - APRIL 23
City Council & PCC Architect/Construction Manager -
direction on schematic design
2019 - JUNE 5
Discussion with HGA on schematic design, parking lot options,
and cost estimates
2019 - JUNE 18
Review preliminary design with details including square footage,
program and storage spaces, and parking detail
2019 - JUNE 24
Discuss architectural style preference with HGA 10
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COUNCIL MEETINGS
2018 - FEBRUARY 27
Authorize a Community Engagement Process and the
Hiring of HGA for the Potential Expansion and Renovation
of the Plymouth Creek Center
2018 - MAY 8
Announce PCC Community Engagement Process
2018 - JULY 24
Plymouth Creek Center Community Engagement Update
2018 - NOVEMBER 13
Plymouth Creek Center Community Engagement Results
and Final Report
2019 - APRIL 9
Authorize Contractual Agreement for Schematic Design with
Architectural Firm and Construction Manager
2019 - MAY 28
City Council approve Capital Appropriation Request
2019 - JUNE 25
HGA presentation on architectural and schematic design
2019 - JULY 25
Schematic design final presentation 11
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CITYCOMMUNICATION
2018 - MAY/JUNE
Front page article in Plymouth News
2018 - JULY/AUGUST
Page 3 article in Plymouth News
2019 - JANUARY/FEBRUARY
Page 2 article in Plymouth News
2019 - MAY/JUNE
Front page article in Plymouth News
2019 - MAY/JUNE
Front page article in Financial Extra
2019 - JULY/AUGUST
Page 2 article in Plymouth News
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PLYMOUTH CREEK CENTER RENOVATION &
EXPANSION PROJECT
August 23,2019
DATE SCHEDULE
(July, 2019-September, 2022)
August 26, 2019 Plymouth News Update
September 5, 2019 City Council Receives Schematic Design
September 10, 2019 City Council Authorize Design/Construction Documents
October -January, 2019 Design Development (4 mo.)
February -June, 2020 Construction Documents (5 mo.)
June -August, 2020 Bid Process (3 mo.)
August 11, 2020 City Council Award Project
August/September, 2020 Construction Begins
August/September, 2022 Construction Ends
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PCC FEEDBACK FORM QUESTIONS ANSWERED:
6/28/19 – 8/27/19
Question 1:
The current Plymouth Creek Center has gathering and event space, a Black Box Theater, and some space
for senior and recreation activities. The proposed renovation and expansion would add amenities like a
year-round indoor walking track, indoor playground, gymnasiums, dedicated space for seniors/adults
and more. How important is it to you to have a renovated center that has these additional amenities in
Plymouth?
Question 2:
Which of the following specific amenities, if any, would you or your family be most interested in having
available in a renovated center in Plymouth? (You can choose up to FOUR)
18.18%
6.82%
13.64%21.82%
39.55%
0%
10%
20%
30%
40%
50%
60%
70%
80%
90%
100%
Not at All
(40)
Slightly
(15)
Moderate
(30)
Very
(48)
Extremely
(87)
Question 1 (Total Submissions: 220)
25.88%
12.38%12.20%
18.67%16.82%
7.02% 7.02%
0%
10%
20%
30%
40%
50%
60%
70%
80%
90%
100%
Year-round
Indoor
Walking
Track
(140)
Indoor
Playground
(67)
Gymnasiums
(66)
Fitness and
Wellness
Spaces
(101)
Senior
Programs and
Gathering
Spaces
(91)
Art Spaces
(38)
STEM /
Education
Spaces
(38)
Question 2 (Total Submissions: 541)
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Question 3:
Which best describes how much you are willing to pay in additional, annual property taxes for
improvements to the Plymouth Creek Center?
Question 4:
Thinking about what your home is worth, and what you would pay, what is your level of support for the
project?
30.00%
18.18%21.36%15.45%
6.82%2.73%5.45%
0%
10%
20%
30%
40%
50%
60%
70%
80%
90%
100%
$0 Nothing
(66)
$1-$50
(40)
$51-$100
(47)
$101-$150
(34)
$151-200
(15)
$201-$250
(6)
$250+
(12)
Question 3 (Total Submissions: 220)
21.82%
9.09%
16.82%20.45%
31.82%
0%
10%
20%
30%
40%
50%
60%
70%
80%
90%
100%
Not at All
(48)
Slightly
(20)
Moderate
(37)
Very
(45)
Extremely
(70)
Question 4 (Total Submissions: 220)
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PCC FEEDBACK FORM COMMENTS RECEIVED:
6/28/19 – 8/27/19
1. Would like pickleball courts added. Most of the communities surrounding us have indoor pickleball
courts.
2. I would like to cast my vote in favor for badminton courts in Plymouth creek facility. We should
have more courts to accommodate members. We usually play in Wayzata high but it’s occupied due
to high number of members. We need more indoor courts to keep active ourselves in long
Minnesota winters
3. The idea is interesting, but financing facilities that already exist at Lifetime seems to me redundant
and wasteful of tax payers dollars. It seems that a better use of dollars, if the idea is to tax those
that are in more expensive houses to pay for the facilities, would be to means test families who
want to exercise and pay for the memberships at Lifetime. Then we don't have to hire another staff
similar to Lifetime's. While the price tag is only $50 million, the actual price is higher with additional
staffs.
4. None of the proposed functions of the expansion are the proper province of government. The
proposal is a solution in search of a problem. Apparently the strategy is to expand an underused
facility until somehow it will magically become in high demand. Taxes are for the purpose of
funding necessary government functions. The entrepreneurial fervor behind this project and its
attendant risks should be left to the private sector and those who support it should consider leaving
government for that sector where they can assume the risk themselves rather than foist it on the
public.
5. The increase in Plymouth residences is not relevant unless you know what’s inside those homes. An
increasing number of those homes have their own amenities such as sport courts and exercise
rooms. These people do not need a facility to have to be driven to. This Creek Center was intended
to be used by seniors. So, why is it now being turned over to classes for Park and Rec.? Can’t the
schools accommodate that program? Or not? When I’ve visited this center the last few times, it
seemed vacant – unused, unnecessary. I think of the many churches in this metro area that are
expanding their facilities, only to be blind to the fact that their congregational numbers are
receding. Never mind! They build anyway. Do us a favor! Keep track of every space and its use for 1
summer month and 1 winter month. Then, revisit this idea of expansion.
6. I am thrilled to learn the new facility may include gymnasiums for pickle ball and badminton. These
sports are growing in popularity across all ages. Furthermore, the time allotted for badminton at the
High School during the school year is not until 7:30 pm in the evening. That is way too late in the
evening to start an intense game of badminton. I understand the gyms are needed by the school
kids, and I get that. But this is yet another reason why we need more gyms for more badminton and
pickle ball time during the colder months of the year at more attractive times of the day and
afternoon. Thank you for considering these comments.
7. My family and I would like a community center built like the Shoreview community center or the
Williston Community Center in Minnetonka. We would like a nice indoor water park, an indoor
playground, and a gym with a weight room. Even an outdoor water park would be great. We
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Plymouth is a large wealthy suburb, but it is lagging behind with its community center. I know that
is the reason for the expansion, but I think other amenities should be considered like a water park.
8. How many years would our property taxes be impacted by this project?
9. I think you ought to consider the new PCC being a social hub for the city's residents. Just opening up
activity centers and meeting rooms is not a draw for most residents. For the most part I wonder if
the majority of residents visits and usage comes from seniors, of which I am one, and young families
with small children. The current proposal does nothing to draw working adults to the PCC. I think the
city should look at the model that Golden Valley has used in the recent remodel at Brookview.
Granted, there is a golf course, but I have been there when the golf course was closed and the
Brookview city center was vibrant due to its "Three One Six Bar+Grill". On a recent visit on a Friday
night, the indoor restaurant was packed with residents, the outdoor area full with families and
young adults enjoying food and beverages. Various events were being hosted and catered in the
meeting room, young families were utilizing the youth play areas and it has truly become a vibrant
and active community center for the city of Golden Valley. Isn't this the type of city hub the City of
Plymouth is hoping to create? I really believe you would be remiss if you didn't give careful
consideration to the "Brookview" model.
10. I could get very enthusiastic if you included a table tennis club, with at least 4 tables, preferably 8,
for all the table tennis deprived people in this area. I drive all the way to South St. Paul or to
Brooklyn Park to play competitively. It is a very international sport, attracting people from all over
the world, and can be played by all ages and gender. It is even prescribed for Parkinson’s' patients!
It is a lifelong game, taken very seriously in other countries, and it gives me great joy to be able to
play. Once upon a time, everyone played, in their home or community centers or teen clubs. I think
it will make a comeback, and Plymouth can help! It is healthy for mind, body and soul. There are 2
clubs in the Twin Cities: Northwest Table Tennis and Table Tennis Minnesota.
11. I think this project is overkill. The center already has a walking track and many rooms for meetings,
including senior spaces. It would not be used by me at all and I would be paying. I already don't use
the existing center much at all. There is no way we need to quadruple the space we have. I'd rather
pay to improve roads I drive on. Have you driven on 55 lately? Let’s pay to improve public safety at
55 and co rd 6. To add a sign so that traffic doesn't constantly block entrance to my street. Ps. In
question 2 I had to pick something to be able to submit the form. I don't want any of them.
12. I would be more interested in a less ambitious expansion project. Given all the needs of our
community, it feels like this is a bit extravagant. Are there alternate options that might cost half as
much?
13. Being on a fixed income, I do not see by the list of improvements, the need for any of them. Maybe
your wish list is too large. You folks have to start thinking towards the part of the community that
do not have children, thinking that everyone wants to support those that do. We have already
raised our family. Our kids grew up fine without all of the glitter you seem to feel the need of for
kids today. Maybe you should think of a moderate family fee for the year for those that want to
have this double sized facility.
14. I oppose this project. There are plenty of options available in Plymouth to do the same activities.
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15. I would like to see kids and even adults having an opportunity to play basketball, running, other
activities geared to physical fitness as that helps mental fitness, especially during the winter months
as so many people are spending too much time sitting. Badminton is not much exercise and if I want
dance classes a lot of bars and dance studios seem to be around the area. Do we really need more
meeting rooms, art rooms, art gallery? Do not need a party room unless the city can get some
revenue to help pay for it, as there are party rooms in apartment buildings. If you are going to get
into music lessons, fitness wellness studio etc. This may end up getting pretty complicated as well as
expensive. A black box theater for more meetings, a ballroom for weddings, where does it end? I
already pay Lifetime Fitness monthly dues and my property taxes just went up by 15% in one year,
and now another tax increase?
16. What are you thinking? Nice to see you want to update this facility but at 50 million dollars. Don’t
you think you have taxed us enough? With your fees (taxes) on my utilities, surface water fee and
now this. This is not sound government this is tax and spend government. With your fees and now
this, even at the lowest tax rate it adds up to an extra $100 or so a year. I have read that Plymouth is
proud of its low tax rate but if you were transparent you would add in the hidden fees.
17. Seniors do not need additional taxpayer support for their leisure activities. All Plymouth residents
can workout at Lifetime very cheaply, the other amenities only makes sense on OPM (other people's
money), the busy families that would be primarily paying for the upgrades won't be using them.
They will continue to use the soccer dome and that is about it. $50 million dollars is crazy so let's
use some common sense. Put it to a city vote if you think people want it so bad but you probably
won't because you know it will fail.
18. Currently, I've been a badminton coach and resource for the Plymouth area since 2012. This year
was my 3rd year of coaching badminton at Wayzata High School. The number of active players has
been growing significantly every year. Although we currently have two adult badminton clubs at
Wayzata High School as well as Plymouth Covenant Church. We could definitely use an additional
gymnasium at the Plymouth Creek Center. We currently use 8 courts at Wayzata High School (not
year-round) and 4 courts at the Plymouth Church (year-round). It would be great and ideal if the
Plymouth Creek Center renovation could include a gymnasium with at least 8 painted badminton
courts. We have a huge diverse number of families who are always looking for more indoor
badminton courts. If you're looking for an example of good looking indoor badminton courts,
Wayzata High School's newly added gymnasiums would be a prime example. Thanks and hope you
will take into consideration of my inputs.
19. Please add a badminton courts inside with walking track.
20. Put solar panels on roof of the project. Create a community solar garden on roof and on land
whereby the coop belongs to the members and members can use their tax credits to fund the
panels and run the coop.
21. Please include indoor pickleball courts in project. It is a great year round activity.
22. We need additional badminton courts
23. How about you sell monthly or yearly passes to cover the cost? I will actively vote against any city
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24. Most of these items listed for the new project are already at Life Time Fitness attached to the ice
arena. Perhaps there could be something worked with Life Time Fitness.
25. As I recall, the space would nearly quadruple at a price of $50 million. Population growth of
Plymouth is absolutely not in proportion to the scale of the project. It needs to be scaled back
considerably.
26. Adding nearly 3 times the current area to the Community Center is excessive to an extreme. While I
still wouldn't support anything, I could understand the desire of an "addition" to the CC on the order
of adding 50%, I just don't believe that there is justification for a 266% increase (to a total of 366% of
the current capacity).
27. I think there is some deceit going on with the proposal. I find it interesting that the sales pitch is in
visitor hours instead of the percentage of Plymouth residents that are actually using the facility.
Some people go to their gyms 3-5 times a week so would they be considered a visitor every time
they go or just counted as one person visiting for the year? It makes a huge difference. Private
fitness facilities seem to do well by charging the people that use them and not city residents. How
much revenue is collected in the city for use of the city center now? I am weary of my tax dollars
continually being spent to benefit small groups of people at great cost to taxpayers. I think tax
dollars are supposed to be spent on things that are a benefit to everyone. All the proposals in the
expansion project are available privately. I also wonder how many people are using city parks
throughout the city. I see empty, almost unused playground equipment at parks. How much are
we paying for that? Is it true that you are going to try to advance the project further with an actual
price tag of 70 million instead of 50?I think you owe Plymouth residents actual numbers of people
who are benefiting from what we are now paying and not hours of use or activities, etc.
28. We were shocked to hear the price tag of $50 million! Many of the proposed amenities are
available in other facilities nearby. Some multipurpose rooms are probably needed with the
increase in population. I have taken several different classes in these multipurpose rooms, hence do
not need "special" rooms for fitness, art, dance, etc. Thank you for the opportunity to make
comments.
29. Please make it a sustainable building overall, delay if not to make it last longer with sustainable
infrastructure. Solar, geothermal (under parking lots), wind, even cover parking lot with solar. This
is the time to show Plymouth can be an example of sustainability. Also require sustainable food
service for events. Think long term savings for energy and our environment. Thanks
30. Plymouth Creek is fine as it is. 2. We don't need what is being proposed.3. We have about 83 parks
in Plymouth and we tell people all the time to get out and enjoy nature and get fresh air. Why
would need an indoor park. There are already indoor amusement parks (businesses) that people
can go to if that's what they want. 4. We don't need another fitness place. We have tons of fitness
(businesses) that are empty because nobody goes there. Most of these have Gymnasiums as do our
schools. 5. STEM should be taught in our Schools. What do we teach there anymore? If this project
could actually be self-sufficient where the rent from the facilities paid for the building, the staff, the
maintenance, the utilities, the replacement of equipment, etc... like a business would need to do,
then it might be OK, but we all know that is not the case and the estimates will also be short and
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31. Definitely want fitness rooms for yoga, I love your yoga offerings! Indoor pickelball courts with
scheduled times for pickelball open play are important. This sport is growing so quickly. Let's be on
the right side of the curve for this amazing sport! We use the indoor walking track very often in the
winter! I feel an indoor playground for little ones would be a huge addition for our community!
32. If we are going to pay for this out of property taxes, I would like to be able to use it for free or a very
moderate cost. Maybe the walking track could be free. Minnetonka has a community center with a
fitness area attached for residents. Too many projects are just for families with young children. I am
not interested in that. If that is what you make it, then my support is zero. My children are grown. It
should be something for adults.
33. I had to pay an additional $500 assessment last year to the City for infrastructure repairs plus my
taxes increased this year. County assessors will be reassessing the homes in our neighborhood in the
next few weeks which I suspect will increase our home values for next year causing another tax
increase. I live on a fixed income and really find it hard to keep up with the inflation of everything.
Every year insurance rates go up for less coverage.
34. Would love a table tennis space and/or badminton space for families.
35. Indoor playground for kids like the one in Edina - there isn’t anything like this in the NW suburbs
apart from the maple grove community center which only has 1-2 attractions.
36. First why are people that own homes the only ones that will be taking financing the majority of this?
What about apartment complex's? Plymouth Creek is surrounded by apartment complexes. Does
the complex also pay for this renovations? The amount that you are asking families to pay is way
too much. We use the fieldhouse and I assume that if we play soccer we have paid a fee to use the
fieldhouse. Why are we being asked to pay an additional monthly/yearly fee to use the facilities
when we already pay class and athletic fees to use it? This tells me you are not charging enough
space usage fees to pay for costs and future costs. No have charged a little extra for future costs. If
I have to pay 8.99 per month than all costs associated to use the center should be free. No center's
funding should not fall on the burden of homestead homes. I am opposed to this on the reason that
it will cost too much for homestead homes and should fall on all Plymouth residents. I strongly
oppose this and how much it would cost mostly single family properties.
37. I think indoor spaces for children and families is an excellent idea. I would suggest adding an
entrance fee, so that you can offset the property tax bill via a usage tax. Frankly, if you could add
anything, I would suggest a splash pad. Those are incredibly popular, and there isn't one terribly
close to Plymouth (St Louis Park and Maple Grove have them). I personally think the wedding
facilities that you have (I got married at the Millennium Garden!) are nice--they could be improved. I
hope that you take that into consideration when planning--having an indoor playplace in the same
facility where you offer weddings may cause some issues. I would hate to see you discontinue
weddings, but some reorganization is very important. You don't want to offer 20 different services in
a mediocre manner.
38. I would like to have indoor volleyball court. Currently we are renting a facility in maple grove or
golden valley during winter and windy days. I can say we hardly play outside. It would be nice to
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39. It would be great to have free access as a Plymouth resident. If we have to be taxed to pay for it, I
wouldn't want additional fees to use the space. The expansion seems a bit expensive and too big.
40. Greetings! I sincerely thank you for all the efforts and undertaking to keep people safe indoor and
outdoor ensuring better health and quality entertainment. I have a request to consider couple of
indoor volleyball courts in Plymouth. At present, our team who actively play every week on Friday
Saturday and Sunday, are renting courts in golden valley and at times in maple grove. It has always
been a 40 mins commutes in either direction and pose more challenges during winter. We sincerely
appreciate if you can consider our request for the same and will provide us a great opportunity to be
active & entertained all seasons.
41. Pickleball is the fastest growing sport in the country! Please be aware of all the interest in the
pickleball community!
42. I love Zumba here, but we need a soundproof, cool space where it's easy to see the instructor.
43. Do not build this! No reason to let events go to support the other hotels and spaces already in
Plymouth. Otherwise raise fees to use PCC's rooms. This is stupid. Do not raise my taxes!
44. Need to include a table tennis facility, which is good for residents at all ages, low investments, low
maintenance, highly utilized! Badminton is also a good add-on for all ages. Indoor swimming pool is
highly needed too!
45. A table tennis facility is a must for all ages - low cost, highly utilized and fun all year around. Indoor
Swimming pool.
46. It would be nice to have an indoor playground. I liked the designs. It would be nice to have a
minimal fee for residents and non-residents to access the indoor playground. Maybe like $3 for
residents and $5 for nonresident.
47. Indoor playground looks like a waste of money and space. Project seems too expensive at $50
million - that's a lot of snow plowing and police officers the city could use money more wisely.
48. Request for indoor volleyball courts.
49. Pardon the pun, but leveling the "playing field" and making affordable and accessible large motor
play space for elementary and middle school age kids who live in multi-family units is MUCH
needed. I would hope the "party room rentals" would be free or extremely low cost for youth
workers or sponsors of programming for low income neighborhoods. I understand if fees were
charged for rental of birthday party rooms but after school programming type groups should not be
charged. Hopefully the walking track will be a harder surface. I hate the sponge track.
50. Make it comparable to Bloomington, Hopkins, or others.
51. Add a splash pad! Green friendly - solar, etc...
52. Would like alternative energy such as solar used.21
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53. Would like to see alternative energy used (solar panels) etc.
54. It would be nice if Plymouth city planners could build indoor volleyball courts for Plymouth
residents.
55. I would love to know if there were any plans for the facility to be powered by sustainable/renewable
sources. They could save on costs in the long run while also reducing emissions that contribute to
climate change. Would there be any weight-lifting/weights in the gymnasium?
56. Some type of indoor dog exercise area?
57. Amazing plan! Love it.
58. It would be helpful if there were exercise equipment
59. I fully support this project and I'm excited to see it move forward. Please let me know if I can help.
60. This is extraordinarily expensive, excessive misuse of out tax dollars. The location of this already-
beautiful facility makes it accessible to those residents with the highest incomes, while the needs in
the eastern part of the city are real and ignored. Our taxes are already high - I'm not willing to pay
more for this needless upgrade.
61. I think it is a good idea to add adult meeting space. I am concerned that the spaces will be limited to
only "seniors" using the meeting spaces. I fell the meeting spaces should be available for all adults.
Also, I feel that a fitness/weight training area that would be available to the public for free or a
minimal fee would be a good addition to keep Plymouth residents strong and healthy. Thanks for
asking for input!
62. Have an entrance from the new parking area.
63. My official residence is in AZ, but I do own a home in Plymouth. Please keep the pool table. I am one
that uses it in the summer while I am here.
64. Senior room dedicated for and to them!!!
65. Can you please, please, please add a skate park for the local skaters? Thanks.
66. Love the indoor park!
67. Senior room dedicated for them - like Maple Grove, Golden Valley and surrounding communities
have.
68. Looks Wonderful!
69. Please include indoor pickleball courts - it's the fastest growing sport and we have a lack of indoor
courts in Plymouth. In the fall of 2018, the City of Golden Valley opened 6 pickleball courts in
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recreational amenities. From May through October, the Wildwood complex attracts about 50
players each day from Golden Valley, Plymouth, Crystal, New Hope, and other surrounding areas,
logging more than 21,000 hours of exercise yearly. Currently, most players are older than 50 and
evenly split between men and women. Courts are used daily from approximately 8am to noon,
predominately by older residents seeking an active lifestyle and social camaraderie. From
approximately 5pm to dusk, and on weekends, the courts also attract many working age residents
and young families, who have discovered pickleball is a fun and challenging cardio workout that can
be played by all ages. Collectively, we estimate this equates to 700-800 hours of player time weekly.
The numbers shown by the City of Golden Valley point to the growing need for additional
recreational facilities in Plymouth. We are asking the City of Plymouth to build on this proven
success by constructing an indoor pickleball complex within the Plymouth Creek Center. Plymouth
must be forward-thinking with regard to its recreation opportunities. Pickleball is the fastest-
growing sport in the nation, expanding an estimated 40% annually, as older adults seek to maintain
a more active lifestyle as they age. As evidenced by the addition of courts in surrounding
communities, such as Eden Prairie, Edina, Maple Grove, Minnetonka, and Golden Valley, pickleball
has become an important recreational amenity for serving and retaining aging residents. For the
same footprint as 4 tennis courts, a 12-court pickleball complex accommodates 48 players, or 3
times the maximum capacity of tennis. For the roughly 40% of Plymouth residents over the age of
50, pickleball offers unique daily social interaction and aerobic exercise opportunities. Although
Plymouth does offer outdoor pickleball courts at Parkers Lake and Bass Lake there are limited
opportunities to play indoors. In our climate, it only makes sense to offer indoor facilities for this
popular sport. Placing new pickleball courts at Plymouth Creek would reinforce the facility as the
place in our community where all ages can engage and play together.
70. This is a request to further enrich people lives through active lifestyle. Volleyball sport is becoming
the next best thing to Prozac medicine as it helps individuals to work out and get a better mental
and physical health. Please consider building one or two indoor courts at the least to cater to the
one and only best city - Plymouth! We the people would sincerely appreciate the positive decision
on this request. Waiting for the serve(ice)!
71. I will be more supportive if the addition has solar panels and green roof on the roof (Brooklyn Park
and Roseville got theirs for free) and a heat pump for heating and cooling. If we install conventional
HVAC it will be way out of date in 10 years when the country gets serious about climate change.
Thank you for asking!
72. I feel VERY strongly that this is an opportunity to start being an environmental leader. Panels should
be on the roofs. All of them. Heat pumps should be researched and included. I would be willing to
pay more to have solar panels installed, but I don't think that would even be required. Green roof
should be absolute minimum, but we can/should do better than that!
73. Tap dancing space with proper flooring and mirrors. If sharing gym court space, included permanent
lines for pickleball.
74. Swim pool - move sitting room outdoors.
75. Excellent project. Make walking track as wide as possible.
76. Walking track - decreasing popularity (track available when dome is up). gym - plenty of gyms
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facilities available at LifeTime is questionable. Seniors on medicare policies have a free LifeTime
membership.
77. Does this require a vote? Enhanced outdoor space? Pickleball, lawn bowling, etc? Consider geo
thermo and solar.
78. Please plan so center can stay open for classes, etc. Geo thermal/solar?
79. My taxes have gone up every year. I am a single person and frankly, I can't afford much more on my
real estate taxes. Is there another way you can pursue your project, business donations, fund
raisers, gifts. Try to be creative. Many won't even use this new building, but will be expected to pay.
80. Use geothermal. Spiral slide on playgrounds. Free admission (playground and walking track) annual
pass??
81. Please add another gym - needed for indoor pickleball
82. Would like to see solar power used. Also heat pumps for the environment!
83. I'd like a room with a smart TV that allows you to pick your own workout. I'd like my kids to be able
to vote on the playground equipment. I would really like a couple of free meeting spaces that we
could use for neighborhood book groups and other community activities. There are so few free
spaces in Plymouth. I would like the eating space to be next to the playground so I can see my
children play while my other children are eating.
84. I would like to have access to a water feature. Most of our neighboring cities have a pool/splash pad
or water park available to the residents. I did not see that in the proposed plan, but I think it would
be a great addition. If a water feature is not a possibility it would be nice if Plymouth residents could
get reciprocity for residential rates of a nearby city that offers their residents access to a water
feature.
I have heard of Plymouth LifeTime as an option, but last time I checked there wasn't reciprocity (or
discounts) for Plymouth residents to use the facilities. I would like to see something dedicated to the
Plymouth residents as more people with young children are moving into the area.
85. The tax impact seems excessive.
86. I did not realize there could/would be a fee to use rec spaces/tot space - AND pay for it on taxes. I
am not ok with that! We need it to be accessible to residents without means. Strong effort ($$) to
environmental concerns in building: LEED cert; al
87. An indoor walking space would be my top wish, as it's so hard to get outside during the long, cold
winters. BUT EVEN BETTER would be if you had an indoor walking track that allowed DOGS as well.
This would be SUCH a popular idea with all our furry friends and their furry-loving parents.
Plymouth is filled with dogs, and it's so hard to get out to walk them in the winter. PLEASE consider
this really fun, innovative amenity. (Or at the VERY least please consider allowing dogs on the
indoor track at certain hours.) I know we have the dog parks, but nothing indoors for our long
winters. Thanks!
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88. Add another gym. Include pickleball courts/marking/time.
89. I question the need for this space given other alternatives available - Lifetime Fitness, etc. I will not
support this if it does not include renewable energy sources to eliminate CO2 emissions. Include
solar and geo thermal.
90. Looks good
91. Building relationships through creating intergenerational connection focal point with a "warm"
welcome, a sense of belonging...a part... a coffee shop, reading area, puzzle area, project area
similar to "Cheers" a place where everybody knows your name :) Primary principles for vision of our
community is "the Plymouth culture of" is the Blue Zone project communities where people are
living well. The Blue Zone Project: https://www.bluezones.com/blue-zones-project-results/. Using
the secrets to longevity where people are living into their 100s by creating new ways to live better in
their own community through creative solutions to transform existing spaces into places that
encourage, foster, thriving mulit-generational relationships. Individuals experience: lower health
care costs; increase productivity and engagement of all ages; increase awareness on a national level
as a city of vision for the generation now and the generations to come - a legacy city; a city know as
a great place to live for all ages to belong, work, play and live well; intentionally designed spaces
that facilitate, support and sustain this vision as community of the future. Central Lobby Coffee Shop
- not a waiting room. Intergenerational gathering spot with outdoor fountain - Starbucks, D'amicos
on Winnetka & Hwy 55, Honey & Mackies. Arts Room - north light windows (Minnetonka Center for
Arts) The benefits of natural light (North Light) for Art spaces. Florescent light is the least helpful for
the arts. Transome lightly if windows are not an option. Crowne Plaza in Plymouth - designed by a
Scandinavian or with models to natural light - has amazing light, hubs of connection, quiet nooks
with overlooks, windows/3 stories on Athletic Center. Plymouth Creek Athletic Center. Art Studio
Space/Galley on same level. Environment - natural light/nature year round. Designed environment -
building generate / sustain community relationships. Plymouth Legacy. Excited to build "it" and all
Plymouth will come. - City of Dreams - be visionaries!
92. Wish this was opening now! Main design feedback is consideration for senior vs. family child use of
building and their respective entrances. Prefer them separate for senior safety. Also not interested
in a walking track or other views/features where random adults can watch kids play. Would love a
coffee shop in the design as well as similar to Brookview's restaurant in Golden Valley. Also a
rooftop patio. :)
93. This is a great, well needed project that we should get started on immediately.
94. Table Tennis, Badminton, Please consider using eco-friendly energy for power
95. Table Tennis, Badminton, Swimming Pool
96. I live in a senior complex, not individual housing, so I'm not sure of my tax impact. I would like to see
an "indoor playground" for seniors - functional gentle obstacle course. Promoting "active, engaged
lifestyles" is a worthy goal...physical, intellectual, emotional, social
97. Seems like a real luxury purchase. My property taxes are almost 10,000 dollars and new SALT cap
makes the hit worse.
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98. This is a financially unwise project! Yes, everyone would like to see it happen & it would be a "nice
to have" city amenity. But at what cost? We are retired & 75% of our retirement income is SS. We
make too much to see our property taxes reduced, but too little to see our taxes increase $135 per
year because our home value has increased to $500K due to inflation. While it's nice to see the value
of the home increase, it is only a paper increase (no cash income) that causes my property taxes to
increase & cause a real cash outflow. My current City taxes are $1283 annually. You are proposing to
increase this by $135 a year or 10.5% JUST FOR ONE CITY PROJECT. Are you nuts? So 100% of the
City's 80K residents will see their City taxes go up 10.5% while what % will benefit from this project;
10% -20% of the City's residents? Why should 100% of the residents subsidize at a huge cost &
penalty a benefit that will be realized by only a relatively small %. My VOTE is a resounding
NO!!!!!!!!!
99. In Question #2, I think all of the options are important!! Also, it is very important to have ample
space for soccer, lacrosse, and basketball practices and games, especially from October through
May; our snowy/rainy season!
100. As the sports facilities are part of this project, it would be very useful to have indoor volleyball
courts.
101. Our group (all Plymouth residents) play volleyball year around. As PCC doesn’t have indoors
courts & schools don’t rent their indoor courts, we book & play in the community centers of nearby
cities.
102. It is always convenient and great to use our own city facilities, contribute towards our own
community & so would be the indoor volleyball courts. I appreciate your efforts in collecting the
inputs & giving the opportunity for the feedback. Thanks!
103. We live in an age of "add ons." It becomes insidious, and starts adding up to a large lump of
money over a 12 month period of time. Add on for cable bills, add on for telephone bills, add on for
electric bills, add on for association fees and add ons for food, gas, clothing and entertainment. The
accumulated effect can be thousands of $$$ within a 12 month period of time - with additional
increases in taxes.
104. Bottom line; we feel that the expansion is a worthy project, but it does not personally fit our
past, present or future needs - call us selfish, but it is "real world" truth for us, and it lacks a
compelling factor for us in the scheme of things relative to our lives. "
105. Please build flexible gym space which can be used for volleyball, table tennis, badminton etc.
106. Pickleball has grown rapidly in our area. Winter indoor exercise is needed. Currently, Plymouth
residents are using facilities in nearby gyms.
107. Consider space to use for music practice during construction phase. I am in Plymouth Rockers
and we practice there weekly. Like the "true" Black Box" idea/design - hope that is part of final plan
108. 2 gyms only should be 3 gyms. This could also be used for product shows, small convention for
organizations to rent, etc.
109. Ping Pong (Table Tennis)
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111. Swimming pool would be great!
112. Solar energy. Water recycle like the Plymouth Library plants on the roof.
113. Indoor pickleball in gymnasiums is a priority of me! Nearby maple grove courts at cokm
114. Please consider heating and climate change. I would want estimates on geothermal and solar.
115. I am not a resident (had to select answer for #3 and 4) but belong to the Plymouth Rockers. We
use the black box for our practices. Stadium seating works great for our purposes.
116. Sound proof room (music)/gym. Space for Zumba. Solar and geothermal
117. Although I am not a Plymouth resident, I am often in the area and use the facility, mostly the
walking track. An indoor all year track would be very nice, but I hope the existing track continues as
well, both with and without the bubble. It's nice being outside walking when possible and it is also
nice to be able to watch the field activities while walking.
118. Mirrors, bars, and better floors in dance space. Add changing rooms.
119. For Zumba classes, room with wood floor and stage, sound proof and ceiling fans. Definitely
indoor walking without being interrupted by soccer players or other sports in walking track.
120. This is a great initiative for growing population and the need of the how for this project.
121. I would like for it to be maintained well.
122. (had to select answer for 3 & 4 as a non-resident). Soundproofed rooms for Zumba with wood
floors, stage area, ceiling fans and sound system. Easily accessible walking track available year round
- extended hours for working people.
123. Sound proof rooms and ceiling fans for Zumba
124. Zumba sound proof rooms, wood floor, ceiling fans
125. Pickleball is an excellent activity for seniors and provides camaraderie, exercise and memory
stimulation. If you construct three gyms, they will be full.
126. Why are additional gymnasiums really needed? We hope that the existing facility will be
available for our use as much as possible during construction. I like the Plymouth Creek Center as it
exists now.
127. Please add Table Tennis in gym 2. I think we can get sponsors for this project 3. Please send me
application for being part of advisory committee with PRAC or similar. I am interested in
participating and contributing in our community 4. If there is green space, we will like to get field for
cricket
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128. I'm in my mid 80's which influences my thinking on funding. However, I see no mention of geo
thermal in this exhibit.
129. Maybe reconsider size of expansion - maybe decrease it a bit to bring cost down
130. We need to keep up with the times and the needs of this community. Love the idea of increasing
the size of the community facility.
131. (Didn’t answer #3 on feedback form) City the size of Plymouth should have an indoor pickleball
court. It is the fastest growing sport in the US of A.
132. Would like common spaces for meeting with friends to talk and visit
133. Would love a space for yoga and an indoor playground. Thank you!
134. Already did above on the FlashVote, but wanted to add concern that gyms will be dominated by
basketball. I am most interested in indoor pickleball.
135. The playground where walk up on or under I disagree with. Also the tall dome is dangerous to
kids.
136. Would like to see a public pool or splash pad in Plymouth.
137. No!
138. Likes all amenities in question 2. Important to be for everyone.
139. Congratulations on the proposal! Great opportunity for the city to improve wellness in the
community.
140. Covered drop off area at main entry
141. There are quite a few families that love table tennis in Plymouth. It's a great activity for social,
physical, and mental health. I hope this activity will find a place in new facility. Thanks!
142. Please give Plymouth residents choices on the architectural expression
143. (no answer provided on #3) I'm in my med age so I need to save for the unexpected. Thinking of
the future and where is the geo-thermal aspect?
144. Important to have lots of parking - Senior Activity Areas
145. Consider solar panels and other environmentally friendly concepts. Consider having more live
music performances at black box.
146. Need space for indoor pickleball!
147. What space do we have to add on more to Plymouth Creek Center in another 20 years? Think
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148. I support all needed repairs. 2. As a senior, I don’t like the idea of separate (segregated?) senior
spaces. 3. I’d hate to see the Tai Chi program moved from current location. 4. I feel other problems
should get care attn.. – ex. water quality 5. The center needs to have a “face”. My impression is both
the Sr. Center aspect and the center have been less effective since Sr. dir. “head” retired.
149. Use solar power
150. We have a large group of table tennis players. We really need our local table tennis facility
151. Badminton courts are also extremely popular 3. Swimming pool indoor
152. A separate senior space is really needed
153. Put solar panels on the roof somewhere.
154. What space do we have to add on more to Plymouth Creek Center in another 20 years? THINK
ABOUT IT.
155. Would like more multi-use gyms - 4 rubberized example: Orono's new addition
156. Low/no cost options for residents to use the track and active spaces.
157. Need the option for table tennis area, we have around 30 kids going to St.Paul MN TT
association every weekend for training. Having space for TT will help kids focus more on game rather
than travelling. Wayzata High School team owns the MN TT high school championship this year, FYI.
158. Please look into solar power!
159. We would like to continue resident and non-resident fee for use. 2) Maple Grove looks like junk
now, we would like to keep it up to "Plymouth" standards. 3) We need underground and ramp
parking. 4) We need more economical options for Plymouth residents renting the banquet room
(currently Hamel, Minnetonka community Centers are very cheap and food of ALL faiths).
160. I want to be sure there will be a dance studio for tap dance. I also would like the gymnasiums
stripe for pickleball.
161. Yoga room. Warm floors, soft lights, heated extra space for storage for equipment for classes.
162. I wish I could have made it to the open house. One of the biggest things missing in Plymouth is
indoor tennis courts. My son played Tennis for Wayzata. The area high schools are at a big
disadvantage compared to other high schools. In High School tennis is a spring sport. They have to
wait until the snow melts to play. Last year I think they did more snow shoveling then they did
playing tennis. To play indoor tennis you have to find a tennis club in another city and it's very, very
expensive. It would be amazing if the city could figure out a way to incorporate another dome or
permanent building for tennis.
163. The proposal is to renovate a facility that is less than 20 years old! This is ludicrous. A facility of
the type proposed should pay for itself in user fees/memberships. Where is the cost benefit
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analysis? I support the establishment of a large, free city park with large shade trees, picnic shelters,
bathroom facilities, a children's playground and picnic tables -- for public use
164. Proud to live in Plymouth!
165. We don't use the community center at all so for us this has no value.
166. Why can't we make additional use of the existing facility and the public schools? The current
facility is only open 8.5 hours each weekday, but 14 hours each weekend. Why can't we leverage
other facilities on weekends rather than adding on? The usage information provided is superficial
and not helpful; how many activity conflicts are there? Why are we providing publicly funded space
for weddings, etc., in competition with private spaces?
167. Effort should be put into making the spaces multipurpose rather than separated for each
activity. If taxes are increased for the construction, would the tax increase stop once it’s complete?
Thought all the new housing in Plymouth would lower Property taxes instead of increasing.
168. I am basing my extreme support of this project IF it includes wellness and fitness spaces for
current exercise such as treadmills, bikes, elliptical, weights, classes such as yoga, meditation,
stretching, etc.
169. If able to add outdoor spaces, a splash pad would be so welcomed within the community. It
would foster an outdoor environment for children to play and allow families to network and
connect. Hosting special hours during the week (Tuesdays, toddlers age 3 meet up at 10 AM
example) would provide a place for moms and dads to venture out and expand their community
base. Please use Round Lake Splash Pad in Eden Prairie as an example, it is so fun and utilized by kids
age 0-10!
170. I'm all for adding art spaces to the community center and even spaces accommodating senior
activities, but there is absolutely NO NEED to add an indoor rec center for children or sports things
like basketball courts and exercise spaces. If you want to play, go outside! If you want to exercise,
walk the floors of Ridgedale and you can play your sports at Lifetime Fitness or any other number of
places around this area. Tax payers don't need to be taxed in perpetuity for these ridiculous
decisions made by I'm not sure who??? I've taken a number of classes through the city and I can
assure you, you'll lose my support and attendance with this dumb idea. What a waste of my tax
dollars. DON'T DO IT!!!
171. From looking at the flashvote response, it seems clear that the cost outweighs the benefits for
many residents. I would expect this council to not get stuck in a sunk costs issue and go back to see
what is really needed and alternatives to finance this with more weight on those who will use it.
172. $50 million dollars on a project that you have to borrow money for (raising taxes) sounds
ridiculous. You have many businesses in the city of Plymouth that offer a lot of these amenities
already. I understand they cost money but this will keep businesses from wanting to open up in
Plymouth. There is 78K people (and growing) living in Plymouth and to offer amenities like this to
everyone, this place will have to be huge for it not to seem so overcrowded.
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173. Please build the project in an earth-friendly manner, incorporating solar or geothermal or wind
energy. Plymouth should be a leader in earth-friendly building practices. I will gladly support this
project to improve our community if it is also friendly to our earth.
174. This is a significant building project. I don't see evidence that construction includes use of solar
panels, green rooftops, geothermal heating, and conservation of water resources. I don't know how
Plymouth can possibly consider undertaking a project of this size without regard for reducing our
carbon footprint. Our neighboring suburbs seem to be taking these steps. Let's listen to the science
on global warming!
Another concern is how can Plymouth's most underserved citizens have easy access to the proposed
Center? This location is not easily accessed without a car. Biking and walking are challenging. An
indoor playground in winter is largely out of reach for these residents.
175. There are plenty of amenities available for residents in Plymouth. Spending 50 million. On a
project like this and forcing a tax on all residents where they make use of this facility or not is not
fair. If this faculty had to be built, a fee can be instituted for use of the premises to the users to pay
for the cost. This project can be completed in phases to see how much actual use can be obtained.
176. Just because someone’s property value is more, I don’t think they are going to use the premises.
It’s not fair to tax a family more based on their property values. The property taxes are already high
enough in Plymouth.
177. We pay high taxes already, but understand a slight increase for indoor track. Especially
interested if it included a dog walking lane for winter access. Absolutely need something for our pets
that need exercise & their owners :). Would be thrilled w this addition!
178. We sincerely request to have public swimming pool and also water park for children.
179. Way too much money! During the winter, I walk on the track 3 to 4 times per week and see the
level of usage. Much of the current space is not used to maximum, often the meeting rooms are
empty. My taxes are currently $10,600 on a house built in 1972-3. I have lived here for 47 years, and
am being driven out by the already too high taxes. Many people who might vote for this huge
improvement are not property owners and thus do not pay the tax bills. We don't need the Taj Ma
Hall of community centers.
180. Why don't we utilize the public school buildings for gym use, classes, indoor activities. We could
save millions of city and tax payer dollars without having to build large and expensive 20 year
projects. For $100.00 a month we could all join LifeTime Fitness and have all your proposed benefits.
I am on a fixed budget and cannot see this type of expense. Many cities use public school facilities
for the residents. Our tax money should go for roads, sewer improvements, fire and police. Thank
you.
181. Prefer that any potential funding be devoted to street repairs and improvements (a must-have)
versus discretionary spend on the Plymouth Creek Center. It seems that usage is somewhat limited,
serves as an adequate venue for weddings, and meeting spaces, as well as the recreational field. I
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sector options and public schools exist in Plymouth that can serve those needs. Thank you for
considering my feedback and I encourage you to continue to manage city finances effectively and
keep tax burdens low.
182. The scope of work for the proposed addition to the Plymouth Creek Center is more than is
needed in the community and more costly tax burden than many would like or can afford. Especially
for senior citizens. Whenever I have visited the Center, most of the rooms in the building were not
being used. Better management of the current space may decrease the size of the proposed
addition.
183. We are retired and rarely set foot in the current city center. We are not in favor putting
Plymouth residents in debt for such a lavish project. We do not want to spend $2,000 for something
we will not use.
184. In my opinion, art rooms must have plenty of windows for day light. Each of them should have
storage closets for easels, portable/foldable chairs, tables, and art/creativity supplies. Art gallery
must have a large area space for display of big sculptures, 3D projects, not just paintings on walls. It
is better to avoid having large windows in this area (as is the case in all art galleries) to avoid
backlight and interfering reflections.
185. $42MM dollars in primarily expansion costs, not including the supposedly $8MM in renovation
& maintenance costs, is an extremely high number to basically benefit a vocal minority primarily,
with few to slightly other city-wide citizens in agreement of this proposal and usage! Thus totally
unnecessary!
Whereas the majority of the costs are for the largest expense of the 2 to 3 proposed gyms, which
are being requested by west-side citizens of Plymouth for the primary use by their children in the
Wayzata Schools, AT THE EXPENSE of all other taxpayers in Plymouth.
Look again at your Survey results and see that a large minority opinion and only slightly short of a
majority are either against or only slightly in favor of some of these expenses. Not such a huge
expenditure!
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Survey Results: Plymouth Creek Center Project
Survey Info - This survey was sent on behalf of the City of Plymouth to the FlashVote community for Plymouth, MN.
These FlashVote results are shared with local officials
1145
Total Participants
895 of 1440 initially invited (62%)
250 others
Margin of error: ± 3%
Applied Filter:
Locals only
Participants for filter:
863
Started:
Jul 9, 2019 9:08am
Ended:
Jul 11, 2019 9:00am
Target Participants:
All Plymouth
Q1 The current Plymouth Creek Center has gathering and event space, a Black Box Theater, and some space
for senior and recreation activities. The proposed renovation and expansion would add amenities like a year-
round indoor walking track, indoor playground, gymnasiums, dedicated space for seniors/adults and more.
How important is it to you to have a renovated center that has these additional amenities in Plymouth?
(863 responses by locals)
Q2 Which of the following specific amenities, if any, would you or your family be most interested in having
available in a renovated center in Plymouth? (You can choose up to FOUR)
(826 responses by locals)
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Average rating: 3.48
Locals
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12.1%
11.1%
22.4%
24.3%
29.2%
0.9%
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Options Locals (863)
Not At All Important (1)12.1% (104)
Slightly Important (2)11.1% (96)
Moderately Important (3)22.4% (193)
Very Important (4)24.3% (210)
Extremely Important (5)29.2% (252)
Not Sure 0.9% (8)
Options Locals (826)
Year-round Indoor Walking Track 72.6% (600)
Indoor Playground 43.0% (355)
Gymnasiums 35.0% (289)
Fitness and Wellness Spaces 51.2% (423)
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Q3 Which best describes how much you would be willing to pay in additional, annual property taxes for
improvements to the Plymouth Creek Center?
(858 responses by locals)
Q4 If financed with property taxes, the cost of the proposed renovation and expansion project would vary with
home values. For example, the tax increase would be about $49 per year at a $200,000 home value, $78
per year at $300,000, $108 per year at $400,000, $135 per year at $500,000 and $169 per year at
$600,000.
Thinking about what your home is worth, and what you would pay, what is your level of support for the
project?
Locals
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72.6%
43.0%
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Options Locals (826)
Senior Programs and Gathering Spaces 32.8% (271)
Art Spaces 18.0% (149)
STEM / Education Spaces 30.8% (254)
Options Locals (858)
$0 (Nothing)19.2% (165)
$1 to $50 28.9% (248)
$51 to $100 19.5% (167)
$101 to $150 11.3% (97)
$151 to $200 6.5% (56)
$201 to $250 4.1% (35)
$251 or more 3.6% (31)
Not Sure 6.9% (59)
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(854 responses by locals)
Q5 Any additional comments or suggestions on the proposed project or funding?
(338 responses by locals)
We love the maple grove community Center pool but live in Plymouth so an addition of a pool would be awesome!
The city needs to better balance their budget to pay for the roads and schools first before I will support any additional funding. Shame on you for
making us pay $1000 a house for roads while there are concerts in the park and other great, but non-essential things that shouldn't get paid for
until roads are fully paid for.
I have lived in Plymouth for 20 years and have maybe used the Plymouth Creek Center once or twice during those years. It is not a priority to me
or my family to have it updated.
Really wish there would be a pool or a splash pad
Even though this will bring value to the community I think the Tax base is too much. I most likely will never use any of the space other then voting
and walking through the garden.
What is the cost to use these amenities? Lifetime fitness is right next door, why would we pay for lifetime and this community center?
Make an indoor cricket ground
Gyms and a walking track would be a huge asset for the community
We need this to be competitive with other west metro cities
Don’t do it!
I've never used the facilities that are there now. I wish there was a way to fund it by people that actually use and benefit from it.
Create yoga and meditation space.
Average rating: 3.54
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Options Locals (854)
Strongly Disapprove (1)14.9% (127)
Somewhat Disapprove (2)13.1% (112)
Neutral (3)11.7% (100)
Somewhat Approve (4)21.9% (187)
Strongly Approve (5)37.4% (319)
Not Sure 1.1% (9)
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I would love to have an exercise room; an alternative to Lifetime which is quite expensive ($180-200/mo/family). They need some local competition
to encourage reasonable pricing. I’m thinking something bigger than the Chanhassen Rec Center and smaller than the Chaska Rec Center.
I support additional spaces for seniors and think of the PCC as a quiet, meditative place. Adding playgrounds in my mind only creates craziness
inside and in the parking lot, and the city already has many playgrounds. We also visit for the quiet garden areas and do use the indoor walking
track. I don't support the increase in my property tax to the degree it says here. Is that amount for adding everything? What about if only 1-2 more
amenities are added?
This is an unnecessary raise in property taxes. There are existing facilities that provide everything you are proposing that are easily accessible
from our community.
Any thoughts on expanding the Millennium Garden?
There is a huge need for school aged kids to have access to gyms for basketball, vollyball, indoor sports year round. I know this is more community
based, but this is a huge need in this area
most in Plymouth are affluent enough to pay for gym memberships where they want to go and/or go to other indoor play facilities. This Creek
Center project would be forced upon homeowner's for the benefit of everyone. Why not fund it by charging an entry fee to use the facility, or
annual passes, vs increasing property taxes?
Pickleball please! Also...,with something other than a light honey colored wood basketball floor (to hard to see the ball).
The overall estimated project cost is too high esp when it is typical that project exceed the estimated budgets.
Please save then bocce ball courts!
This seems like a huge investment for a facility that is not used by the bulk of the city's residents. Additionally, most of the proposed amenities are
already available nearby. I really hope the city of Plymouth continues to show fiscal restraint and doesn't spend public money this.
This proposed renovation and expansion is very important for a large and growing community like Plymouth. A great number of people have stated
that Plymouth is behind peer cities in NOT having these facilities and amenities.
Love to see updates done to the PCC. Love the facility and have been using it since I moved to Plymouth in 2002.
Need indoor pickleball courts!
This feels like an investment plan to increase public infrastructure that would attract young families to Plymouth. We don't need this addition to
acomplish that goal. You've carefully balanced the narrative with gymnasiums, playgrounds for young families with walking path and senior
activities. We already can use the covered dome for walking in the winter. Is this investment really necessary?
I was under the impression that we already funded several of these proposed amenities with the partnership with Lifetime Fitness.
Haven't used the center, and no plans to start.
I object to being taxed for a project of such limited scope
Seems like $50 for a single-resident household would be a lot. What are we missing in our current Center? Is there no other option for funding?
Is this a need or a want?
With all the health centers and gyms available, the city shouldn't have to provide another. Residents want the city to do this and in the end don't
support it. With more seniors finding Plymouth their home, watch where you spend their money.
I would really like to see an indoor walking track.
Would love to see a weight room as part of project that could be accessed for a nominal fee unlike Lifetime Fitness.
PLEASE DO THIS!
Keep having the ability to have community classes there.
I agree the center needs updating but this seems excessive--this is a 3% increase for us for 20 years to update a building I haven't been in for over
2 years. It feels like there was no constraint in the design. Why not a scaled down option? Shouldn't user fees be the main revenue source? I paid
for a health center once for Life Time and was assured at that time that we would be able to use this at an affordable cost--that sure didn't happen.
This is still a bone of contention for me. Now I am paying for ANOTHER facility?
Plymouth is lagging neighboring cities in these amenities. The lack of an indoor playground space and public gymnasiums are particularly glaring.
I think the Plymouth Creek Center is fine as it is. I think it is sufficient to simply maintain it as is.
Why don't you raise the money with user fees. Therefore, the people who actually use it will pay for it and all of us who will not use the facility
don't have to subsidize their activities.
Please, City of Plymouth, bring this project to life!!
more wall space reserved for art shows
The return on investment for me as a homeowner/taxpayer on this expansion is very low and I would propose to see something much better
proposed. Something like a really nice indoor flower garden space/green space. Or more arts, theater, painting, and music. I feel like everything
offered is about sports and playgrounds and there are already tons of parks and trails that we already pay taxes for and I'd like to see something
else offered from the community center that isn't already offered somewhere else closer to my house. Give me a reason to actually come there.
Invest in an annual community musical theater event every summer like New Hope does with "off broadway musical theater". Do something
different that isn't already offered through Lifetime Fitness or Parks and Rec or Wayzata Community Ed or the many many many trails and parks we
already have.
We need at least 5-6 gymnasiums!!! If we are to be competitive with neighboring cities this is not a want but a need. This is the perfect time to add
these.
Please include toddler and young child friendly spaces in the indoor playground.
What about spaces for teens to hang out? We are exiting the timeframe for needing the indoor playground but will be looking next for teen things
to do in Plymouth - and right now we don't really see any!
Hopeful that groups that serve people in our community (east Plymouth, included) will be given priority access to the new facilities
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I would be fully supportive of a renovation project that was more of a recreation centre that included a swimming pool at a discounted rate for
residents (like Maple Grove and Minnetonka ) with optional swimming lessons at an affordable cost.
Right now we travel to Golden Valley or Maple Grove to play volleyball and St. Louis Park or St. Paul to play Table Tennis because there no good
facilities in Plymouth. We need better sports facilities in Plymouth, especially for winter months.
Go for it. Do it now and do it right.
Would love to see pickleball courts in one or more of the gyms.
It would be nice to see funding put towards adding bathrooms & a changing area at West Medicine Lake Park.
Make sure to check out the indoor play areas at Brookview and InnerActive (Minnetonka) for some best practices on indoor play areas for kids.
An improved Plymouth Center is a value add for real estate values. Most of our neighboring communities have more significant community centers.
Do not go crazy and build a palace when a condo will do. Also, be mindful with timely use of resources.
Would it be free admittance for residents? Any limits on number of visits? Can guests attend with the resident? What would be the open hours?
It seems that the new amenities could be better provided by the private sector or if the city, financed through user fees alone. Property owners
that don’t use the improvements shouldn’t be required to pay for them.
This project started smaller and has quickly doubled in cost. Unless the majority of residents believe they would need 3 gyms, I think the extra
expense of multiple gyms and associated parking is aggressive.
Renovation and expansion of the Plymouth Creek Center would make Plymouth an even better place to live and would likely increase the value of
my property. The proposed changes would keep our city on pace with other cities in the area that presently have more robust city center facilities
than we do. A minor increase in my property taxes is a very small price to pay for these improvements.
The expansion primarily consists of things the government is not responsible for. This plan is government over reach. And I am quite liberal
Too much money for something I won’t use.
Gymnasiums for youth and adult basketball are greatly needed in Plymouth.
I think the project needs to be scaled back. All of these additions are not needed, nor do I want to pay for them.
I would urge the city to find funds already available. I would like to know why this can't be funded thru the general budget or by floating a bond?
with the current challenges of indoor field availability measured against the dramatic development of northwest Plymouth, it is crucial to update
Plymouth Creek Center to accommodate this city's growing population
A meeting/hospitality room, with kitchen facilities. A place where groups could hold social gatherings. Food and beverages could be brought in.
I've lived in Plymouth 4.5 years and have used Plymouth Creek Center once. Funding should be based on user fees for those that are actually using
the facilities and not penalize those that don't.
I love the idea, I think having a free or affordable option for residents to have access to wellness opportunities would be extremely beneficial!
Our property taxes are already ridiculous. Figure out a better way to do those or don’t do it
I can see how we would need upgrades but I don't think we need to add all those amenities. And it's not worth the increase in my taxes.
Please consider the growing popularity of Pickleball when planning the space.
Gyms are very important— I would like to see 4. Would like to see an after school low income homework club. A space for use year round. Scouting
lending storage closet. And art room. For use by scouting Plymouth regional service unit for free with service hours for Plymouth.
I was surprised to hear about this project a couple weeks ago. If there was any news about it in the past it may not have been very well circulated
as I was not aware of any of it. I believe a project of this magnitude should have a thorough public disclosure and ensure that all property owners
that would be effected have been informed early on in the discussions. Again I wish to state my displeasure on not having heard of this sooner.
Would want to make sure there is a running lane on the track.
I am sure we need a space like a community hall. Secondly, we need a good swimming facility as well like Orono School. Lifetime Fitness charges
premium to join a swim team or lessons. One family has to pay for their membership first and then additional fees for swimming. This is simply
loot.
Solar on roof
This looks like a well planned project for a well used resource.
i can understand some improvements are required but the proposed improvements are over the top.
I would hope you all would be fiscally conservative in all your endeavors. And good luck to St. Louis Park in their ongoing efforts to get the stink off.
Maybe good enough is ok. We don’t need everything to shine and sparkle like a for profit (Lifetime example)
Would rather see a user fee be used for the play & gym areas to where costs are covered. Doesn't need to be a money maker but at least break
even
Institute a user fee to utilize the gym or indoor playground. Why should I have to subsidize others activities?
Regarding funding, curious if there is a revenue model for the facility in addition to property taxes — Renting out the facility, in-house retail, etc.
A vibrant city, like every other worthwhile entity must adapt to change, grow, or die!
Considering the present amenities at the Plymouth Center, I am not sure that I see the need for the expense proposed addition. Many of the
amenities are already available during the spring, summer and fall. Then, during the winter, the dome at the Plymouth Center offers walking, and
many other activities. I would like to hear the rationale for this major expense from someone who is in favor of it.
Provide plenty of parking. Provide windows to the outside for yoga rooms. Provide sound proofing in yoga rooms. Yoga is growing popularity. Be
sure yoga rooms are large enough for current needs n future growth. Thank you.
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We've lived in Plymouth for 32 years, raised a successful family, and have NEVER used this facility. If you really think this needs to be done, why
not charge more fees for the people that use the facility, rather than raise everyone's property taxes?
I'm really sick and tired of "...it will only cost another $xxx amount...." line of thinking. Property taxes are high enough and we are constantly
getting nickled and dimed to death. I've never set foot inside of the existing facility. The people who should pay for any improvements are the
people that use it. I am firmly against any increase of property taxes - if anything - fix our lousy roads - then we can look at doing something like
this!
Sorry, but I never use city facilities. So can't recommend any cost.
Would be willing to pay more if fitness center was good quality. It would be nice to have a decent option other than Life Time Fitness.
Quality of life is what attracts people to Minnesota. We need to commute to focus on that while making efficient is of property taxes.
We are already paying too much taxes and please do not add more to it.
If this will be paid for with taxpayer monies, make sure all ages and groups have access to the facilities, not just families or seniors. Adult wellness
classes at reasonable prices would also be acceptable.
Are non-Plymouth residents able to use the facility and renovated facility? If so then consider a per-use or monthly/yearly membership costs for
that could supplement other funding.
Any additional space that can be reserved for small groups would be good. Rentals of gym space and make it multi use for other activities such as
baseball would be good
Why couldn’t you have a nominal increase in taxes across the board to help fund project and then charge a usage fee for the gym and playgrounds
etc... I go to Lifetime and no longer have small children so I’m less inclined to pay for something I don’t need
Have not heard what the length of payoff is for bonds or financing of potential project. Also have not heard if facilities would be available to
Plymouth residents at no charge. Would facilities be available to non-residents of Plymouth? If so, it should be via a fee schedule.
Not needed. Lease additional space from Lifetime Fitness and let the people who use it pay a daily "Use Fee".
Fees should be charged to the public to use the facility in order to help offset the cost. Or, have businesses sponsor the new center and cover most
(all) of the cost. There has to be a way to pay for this beyond raising my taxes, which are already astronomically high. I'll just go to Maple Grove
and use their splash pad and indoor playground rather than having my taxes raised again.
Based on the changing demographics in the area, I would strongly suggest including program areas for youth -- those mentioned: indoor
playground, STEM activities, etc.
I would like a dance studio
Very expensive project especially for those on a fixed income!
Thanks for asking.
I have heard that some of the spaces (like the indoor playground) would be fee-based access. Given our climate, a safe indoor community place to
gather and play is important to me and I'm supportive of helping provide this community amenity through my taxes. However, I'm not willing to
support it with taxes AND usage fees. Usage fees should be limited to the spaces/activities that bear additional costs (i.e., materials or instructors
for STEM or art classes or special events), not fixed playground equipment.
I am excited for an updated community center. I believe the indoor playground is a great amenity for the community. I am willing to increase my
taxes & pay program fees.
A walking space is critical. I NEED to walk year round and the track at the dome is not adequate. When the track was re-done, it was too spring for
my back and leg problems. Also I don’t enjoy the noise of the kids inflatables or how cold it can be in there. The Lifetime has no walking track and I
can not use the machines there like treadmills or stair masters, etc...... I dedicated walking space is my biggest problem once there is ice on the
sidewalks and streets.
Please think about outdoor play space for kids too!! A splash pad would be a huge hit for all the children in Plymouth!
Pickle Ball Courts please!
If there were fitness program and I could do away with my Lifetime membership, that would help would it for me
I strongly support improving the community center, especially adding gym space.
This isn’t needed & it’s over priced. I don’t have kids and I’m not a senior.
The number of Indoor play areas seem to be increasing. There are many outdoor play areas in Plymouth. But having a facility available when there
is cold, wet weather is desirable.
The project, on paper, is very ambitious. A more incremental renovation/improvement would be advisable to gauge the true value. The tax
increase is also very high considering the proposed improvements. We need proof all the money is going to the renovation.
Winters and long and hard. These facilities enable our community to continue to be strong and healthy
With all amenities such as parks, trails, sports complexes - it is incumbent on the city to ensure that future maintenance costs be factored in to
enable residents to know now, upfront, what the REAL COSTS are. It would seem likely that the high property values in Plymouth can support an
improved, updated facility. So, tell the truth!
I wasn't aware of the project until recently, but kid-friendly indoor activities would be a big bonus in Plymouth. The indoor playground would be my
top priority, but would also suggest water activities anywhere from a small splash pad to water park for a future amenity if it's too late for this
phase. We always have to go to neighboring cities for these.
The initial cost seems high overall. Not sure why we need gymnasiums when the public schools have them. Can't those be utilized somehow? I
hope we are thinking about how we can use current resources we have as much as possible and not over build.
Cut back on some of the proposed amenities. Make sure added space is utilized by multiple groups. Instead of raising taxes, a per use fee should
be thought about especially for an indoor playground.
I would like to be educated more on the disparity of tax differences from previous screen. For example, Using a multiplier of .0002 to all different
home values, it would be 40 per tax on home of 200,000 and 120 on home of 600,000. Under your formula, the higher valued homes bear a bigger
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percentage of tax. I have an issue with that - why can’t it be a straight same percentage of tax on all owners, so the 200,000 homeowners pay less
dollars toward the project than dollars paid by the 600,000 homeowners but all homeowners pay the same percentage of the value of their home.
It is more equitable. The city needs to be attentive to not always disproportionately burden the higher valued homes, especially for non-service
amenities which are recreational in nature.
I hope given the dire problems with climate change and that we are well knto the 21st century, and that Plymouth is a smart and tech savvy place,
that future updates include a significant shift towards clean energy, such as heat pumps, maybe solar on the roof, etc.
I’m skeptical whenever the government asks demands more money. More transparency is needed to justify the seeking of more taxpayer money.
They definitely need to provide facility for pickleball. It is the fastest growing sport for seniors and there is a need for more indoor places to play. It
would be easy and inexpensive to provide equipment in a new gymnasium.
The increase in space is WAY more than population growth. Scale it back!
Wondering about additional costs of use once these spaces are built. If my taxes are going up AND i have to pay each time to use these spaces, I
am less content with the tax raise.
Strongly discourage the city to add spaces that directly compete with private owned community options. The function of our government shouldn't
be to compete with our business partners. If there is a need, partner with them to provide the service or facility. The partnerships with Lifetime
fitness have been a great strategy to offer facilities and services to the community with little impact to the city budget compared to the city
shouldering the load. Do not build or renovate additional spaces that compete with the city's private catering and hospitality businesses. Do not
build gymnasiums when the cities private businesses have these offerings. The city should stay in it's lane. Focus on delivering great infalstructure
and public safety. Do not borrow money for this project. The city cannot talk from both sides of its mouth. Adding additional debt and or raising
taxes flies in the face of it's fiscal conservatism it likes to tout. Can't have it both ways.
It upsets me that we aren’t seriously considering being a green step community because it might cost money (many items are free and/or save
money), are turning down affordable housing projects and then putting this project forward.
Facilities have not kept pace with the city’s growth. This project is long overdue
Should have a badminton court too as part of expansion.
Plymouth is quickly falling behind on community amenities, outdoor activity spaces, and recreation facilities (except for ice arenas with their mind-
boggling costs and whose benefits go to only a few, increasingly mediocre hockey teams). Wayzata and Providence hockey associations can pay
their own way. Redirect funds from PIC to Plymouth Creek Center so that we can have a multi-use facility that draws young families to the area.
Good schools, along with amenities like this are what will keep young families wanting to move to Plymouth and will help keep property values
high.
If this project reduces the size of the millennium garden, I am opposed to it.
The added gym space would greatly benefit the Wayzata Girls Basketball association.
The city should not be building exercise or gymnasiums for exercising. That is for the private sector or people can exercise outside anytime the
want. This proposal is too expensive.
Get it done
This is a great facility which servers Plymouth residents well, and represents Plymouth well to visitors from other towns.
As a 68 year old I need the benefits but being disabled money is tight.
In general the fitness facilities at Lifetime are very good -- however the enforcement/intepretation of the city's lease with lifetime is such that they
can make it as difficult as possible to use the facilities as a resident (you have to take a sales tour, you have to fill out a waiver from scratch each
time, you're not allowed to bring in prefilled out copies, they limit the hours Plymouth residents can use the facilities even when they are otherwise
open). Rather than duplicating some of those facilities across the park I would rather see a more community centered policy enforced at the
Lifetime so it is more useful to residents. I fully support enhancing the community center as well.
I would push the cost down to get the tax increase closer to $50 or less on an annual basis, as I’m sure there will be other increases in property
taxes to support schools etc. we can only afford so much. Will you be charging fees for use of the additional amenities?
many of the reasons given for this EXPANSION should be supported by the city 's approach for nurturing private businesses to provide instead.…
Capitalism... small business... this is not what taxes were intended for... if you need to find a reason to increase my property taxes....would prefer
better pay for police and firefighters....in my humble opinion.. DON"T TAX ME OUT OF MY HOME>>>>.
This is a terrific opportunity for the City Council and city staff, with input from the community, to continue Plymouth's record of responsible
financial planning for facilities and services to serve the needs our growing and changing population.
We need to have more opportunity for physical fitness/exercise for kids and adults which leads to better mental health.... maybe more opportunity
to learn science, math etc., I do not feel we need more gathering space, areas to play cards, art, music, dance etc..my property taxes just went up
15% in the last year. Government spending is growing too fast.
Pls include a batminton / rachquet ball courts and also modern & affordable party hall for hosting small private events. Most of the people in
Plymouth rent the party hall in Chaska, inspite of 1 hr travel due to affordability and great ambience. It is high time we need to have our own
modern and affordable party hall in our own city.
Spend more on public safety and making easy Plymouth as nice as west Plymouth ..not on the Creek Center
I would like to know for how many years we could be paying an increase, or if the increase in our taxes would remain.
Would there be payment for residents to use the facilities? I would hope that Plymouth residents are free or highly discounted since we’re paying
for the improvements. Others are welcome to use the facilities but should pay. Thanks for listening!
Why do we need this?....has there ever been broad communication that there is a need? (i've not seen anything)
I believe we should vote raising taxes BEFORE final decisions are made by the city. How much will this project cost to build?
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Especially like the walking track. Maple Grove has an indoor playground and it’s always busy. That is much needed in Plymouth for the kids.
Please keep the domes arena for winter activities.
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Adding as much gymnasium space as possible is important to support the growing community and the recreational activities the City of Plymouth
and the various associations offer to the residents. So many surrounding communities have very nice indoor facilities to support activities,
basketball tournaments, and other events. Plymouth is long overdue to provide this as well.
All but a fitness center would be important. There are plenty of area gyms that can accommodate individual’s SES.
Please consider pickle ball courts
It would possible to charge non homeowners entrance fees.
I really wish that the City of Plymouth would invest in an outdoor water park/pool facility to be used for recreation and for outdoor swimming
lessons. I do not use the daily Lifetime pass, I would prefer to have a city owned and operated pool I could (and would buy) a season pass for. I, and
many people I know, go to other cities or providers for summer swimming lessons and buy swimming passes for other facilities. I think it is a
shame, with the growing number of families with young children, that we do not have a facility like Maple Grove and Crystal.
Making sure there is adequate court space for basketball
There are many other things in Plymouth that need attention. I am out of town and sorry I cannot attend this evening’s meeting.
I would need more info on additional costs/fees to use the facility. Is it (mostly) free? Or would, for example, there be a fee charged to use the
gyms, playground, etc?
what percentage of residents have used the facility in the last 12 months? how is that verified? what programs were unable to use the current
facilities? where did they go? why is the city competing with the private sector? You realize that the higher the taxes the fewer people can afford to
live in Plymouth, or the smaller the house they can afford. Meaning that this project adversely affects the poorer of us and those on a fixed income.
As the size and needs of the city change, so should the city's community center. The community center should reflect the commitment of the city
and residents to their needs.
More affordable fitness space would be great as well as an indoor playground!!
Never seen the PCC full. Walking track usually available. Plenty of individual rooms.
Table Tennis play area is must required
We need more indoor/outdoor sports facilities in general. We have a lot of kids that live in our city and the infrastructure has not kept up with the
growth over the years. We travel to other cities sports facilities for games and they far surpass what we have here in plymouth in most cases.
These are excellent ideas for the community!
While I think as a community resources are a perk, we wouldn’t be likely to use them. Our kids are teenagers.
Good Job
For most of the perspective amenities, it seems like private enterprise could provide if there is enough demand in the community. I don't get it.
We are seniors; our opinion would likely change if we were younger with children.
I think the idea of improving the center is good. I'm concerned that money is being spent there and many roads in the city need to be better
maintained. Also, why have fitness spaces when there is a Lifetime just down the street. Unless the use of the spaces at the center would be free.
But then that begs the questions of maintenance and quality.
Many small cities in Minnesota have committed to expensive projects like this which require maintenance and permanent tax increases, in addition
to the initial costs. They find themselves in financial trouble with this type of commitment. I don't understand how this $50 million project fits
within the role of city government. Many of these services are already available at Lifetime Fitness right next door. I'm all for parks and community,
but this is far beyond the responsibility of the city. The city's own documents indicate that the city has grown by 13,000 people since the original
Center was built. That does not justify a project of this scale.
This is just more welfare. We have great facilities for fitness in Plymouth and we don't need more handouts for seniors. Give the taxpayer a break
as the current center satisfies 90% of the city. Let's not cave to the 10% who want more at the trough.
We are taxed enough and these are amenities the city doesn’t need to involve itself with
NO NEW TAXES. Private funding only. Naming rights. I would fully support the US Bank Plymouth Community Center.
This project is way too expensive for just adding on to an existing space. Why is it so crazy expensive when there is no land cost, no infrastructure
cost, etc.
Please include table tennis!
This is an important amenity in our city and we need to keep pace with our citizen's needs and future activity space for generations to come. This
is arguably our largest city park considering all of the programming and all generations benefit from it.
Already looking forward to this project being completed so my family and I can use the updated/renovated space!
Perhaps the people that use the facility should pay for it (or most of it) via fees rather than everyone in the city. The amount is just too great.
Really would be interested in a community pool.
I believe we already pay way too much taxes, any improvement and updates on current facilities should be funded with money already available, it
would be great to see in details how much money is being used in other projects that might not be that important. I will fully support an upgrade,
improvement or expansion on all sport facilities within existing budget and current taxes.
Would really like to see improvements to the space & willing to pay for it.
Indoor (winter) dog park!
Make sure there is adequate parking space available.
I am most interested in indoor pickleball courts. The rest is icing on the cake.
Consider using solar panels
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I find the current schedules of the space do not accommodate my family because the open time for kids to come play fall during weekdays. We
would be looking for evening and weekend times to use the space with our young kids. Overall, the cost of the proposed project feels too high for
the amount I would anticipate using it.
This would be a great thing for the community of Plymouth.
Price seems high, maybe if I saw more details I would see it differently.
Indoor and outdoor pickleball courts would be great!
Will there be a charge to use the facilities, similar to what other municipalities do?
Upgrade to Plymouth Creek Center is essential to Plymouth's future. Innovate or disintegrate!
This entire venue is questionable.... It appears to have been a sweet deal to some locals and someone is getting rich over the deal....
Community pool!
Low cost/membership for Plymouth residents
The proposed improvements and dollar amounts are way too excessive.
I think that is project would be a great draw for people considering moving to Plymouth. There is something for all ages and abilities. I love the
space we have now, but am excited for it to be expanded.
Splash pad for kids
Would there be any "matching" funds to lower property tax burdens?
Basketball courts in the gymnasiums would be great.
The proposed project really disproportionally benefits the people living in close proximity to the Plymouth Creek Center project site! Therefore
those home owners should be assessed at a higher rated than those people living at the boundaries of Plymouth
We need some fun spaces like maple grove has with their splash pad and fun playground
Our taxes are already too high. We need to keep taxes low. The City of Plymouth could make arrangements for lower cost of facilities already in
place like various YMCA or Lifetime fitness facilities. Or incorporate senior activities at the library.
For a nominal annual increase in property taxes, much needed amenities could be added to our wonderful community. It would increase the quality
of life for all who chose to use it. I think it's a fantastic idea.
Additional space for winter/spring lacrosse practice would be very beneficial, as there is limited practice facilities.
Any expansion / renovation should be paid for through user fees of the resulting facility. If the facility will not generate the revenue to pay for itself
the project should be canceled.
I live along US 169 and raely head west. So many facilites all in/near east edge of Plymouth are not conveinet for me.
I would also like to recommend if we can have a indoor tennis court and indoor table tenis tables.
I love several of the new ideas; especially the proposed wellness/fitness/education spaces, indoor kids playground, and indoor walking track to
support the growing size of our community! I like a middle ground approach of adopting select new amenities to add without over running the
beautiful green space/gardens/fields that currently surround the Plymouth Creek Center. Thanks!
A dedicated indoor walking track and/or fitness spaces would greatly impact the health of our community, especially on poor weather days of rain,
snow and cold (about 9 months of the year!)
why charge enough with more taxes, and if i ever do us e this new indoor building it will either be closed or charge again at the door not worth it
Is there a grant or a way to lower cost - maybe we pay over several years or we can lower cost with less stuff
get it started
Not opposed to a renovation or upgrade of the existing facility. I don’t see why we need to spend tax dollars from residents that won’t benefit - you
are only meeting needs of certain groups of people. The users should be the ones to pay for it.
We feel not all proposed activities need to be provided by Plymouth in this facility. The schools would be a better place for STEM activities &
education.
Find alternate capital for the renovation. Or make use based fees. Simply raising property taxes to finance it is irresponsible. Property values have
gone up each year for 7 years so the city has more revenue in general each year. The city should find efficiencies in the operating budget or raise
private money to finance the renovation. Find some corporate donors. Or sell naming rights or ads in the building.
Flexible spaces - good lighting- variety of age levels
As a stay at home parent, I would like to see an indoor play area that has longer hours into the evening and is open on weekends. Weekly events to
help keep interest would be nice to maintain more visits and keep children stimulated.
If implemented the project should be financed by all residents equally, not progressively based on home valuation.
More gym space!!!! We should be on par with Eden Prairie, Edina, or Maple Grove community centers. We have a huge youth basketball and
volleyball program in Plymouth and there is never enough gym space.
I don't understand why you want to more than double the space of this facility already. I think the scope of the project is too big. Plymouth doesn't
need to offer EVERYTHING for EVERYONE. There are other options available in local schools and neighboring communities and I would rather see
my property taxes spent elsewhere.
Basketball gyms and more basketball gyms please.
The tax impact is much higher than expected. Additional facility use fees should be nominal for residents paying increased property taxes.
Badmintton courts are important for us
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I would like resident to be given priority in usage and make the fees very small for the resident (because we've already paid for it). Also,
maintaining it well over time.
Complete waste of money. You are completely out of touch with your residents. What about something for the east side of 494? Four Seasons mall
is a disgrace. Hwy 55 to 169 needs a sense of community and belonging
I think it's good use of tax dollars, but it does make you wonder what our other tax dollars are going to. I know a breakdown is sent out but it could
be broke down further.
Very excited about an indoor playground and fitness options to keep our whole family active in the winter or when weather doesn’t permit outdoor
play.
Our community of youth is growing at such a tremendous rate and we desperately need indoor space for them to a run, practice their sports,
exercise, etc. We should not have to belong to a gym and pay that type of membership when we live in such a beautiful suburb. We NEED to add
more indoor space!!
Not sure we’d use the space much, so not as interested in paying for it annually. Maybe charge a membership or offer bonds or something else?
Special Needs/autism centric spaces or places.
The project seems too big and expensive. 51 million seems awfully high! I would like it to be free for Plymouth residents. It would be great if
funding could be raised to lower the tax burden. Cost of living and taxes keep growing more than my paycheck.
Please include space for indoor pickleball courts. I would much rather pay a user fee to play indoors in the winter instead of the expensive LifeTime
membership fee I pay for now. Also, please consider adding another gymnasium to provide for indoor fitness programs for all ages.
Stem education is what will benefit the community the most
The use of space you are suggesting is common and available via nearby Plymouth locations. I would suggest and pay for a curling club similar to
that of Blaine’s Fourseasons curling club or Chaska curling club. There are dozens of instructors who reside in Plymouth who would volunteer to get
this set up. Likewise it could be a significant revenue generating source while it matching use of curling ice for ages 5 to 95. More interest? Please
reach to me 763-331-1667 Christine and Brian grabowski
City is in need of these updates with a growing community and an abundance of children's programs in need of space.
I think basketball gyms should be included in the renovation.
Current facility seems more than adequate.
Love the project and proposed ideas. I feel the extra tax is well worth the investment. I enjoyed talking with the playground designer and learning
about the features. He was very open and welcoming to ideas for added equipment and features such as older slides and climbing walls. When the
playground is open I suggest the city make a plan to set aside special days or times for children with special needs such as autism so they and
their caregivers can enjoy the space without being overwhelmed or overstimulated by too many people and excessive boisterous activity in the
space. I am very excited about having an indoor walking track and play areas available year round during extreme cold and heat!
Interested in a space like the Williston for Plymouth residents. Also would prefer to see indoor tennis and or pickle ball courts rather than basketball
or outside skating rink or all-age splash pad.
Please make it very welcoming and easy to use.
No additional comments.
Is there going to be an admission cost for the indoor playground? That affects how much I'm willing to pay in taxes.
Fully support, but need more gyms at least 4. Gyms should be multi-use with rubberized flooring. Cheaper than wood and supports more sports.
I would support money spent on WiFi or other fast Internet options. Kick Comcast out of Plymouth.
There are plenty of houses in Plymouth that are 600k plus, the amount of fee brackets should be increased to include a rate for 600k; 700k; 800k+
Homes.
Basketball space is needed
Expanding the site to be 4 times bigger is too much.
I do not want this and do not appreciate the increase in my property taxes. I would rather go without. I have personal priorities that would serve
Plymouth better, such as improving my own home to bring it up to neighborhood standards. It has not been touched since it was built in 1978 and I
need every penny to carry out this improvement. A new spiffy center is not something I need right now. I know it will happen despite my protest as
I have little control over the process.
We would love to have table tennis tables available at the new gymnasium with year round play available
I am ok with renovations on the Plymouth Creek Center as long as it does NOT encroach on the Millenium Garden. Do NOT get rid of any part of the
Millenium Garden - it’s one of the best thing that’s ever been built in Plymouth. A space of beauty, relaxation, meditation. Countless weddings and
events take place there. My family and I walk there to exercise, relax, and meditate nearly every day, and we always bring visitors there. It is a
place of one of the greatest prides and joys of Plymouth so DO NOT MESS WITH IT.
Wish we had a Splashpad
We have two little kids and love the plans!
We wouldn’t use it nearly enough for the $135/ur increase in property taxes. Just not worth the price for us.
The cost proposed is too high and too many of the items being added are not necessary. Also the users of the center need to pay more for the
services they receive.
Congratulations to City Staff and Officials for a very informative Open House on July 10th and for great information in the mailer and on the City's
web site regarding this proposed project! I would be willing to help with the physical and fiscal design of the pickleball courts usages in the
proposed gyms.
Think ahead and go green. Another reason why Plymouth is the Best Place To Live!
We have a gym and exercise equipment across the pond at lifetime fitness. We should use Plymouth creek for other activities.
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This renovation helps the community especially during winter :)
It is great to see this support for services that citizens relish and need for quality living.
In fairness, I think Plymouth residents who pay taxes should get to visit the site for free. Maybe non-residents could pay a nominal fee to visit the
Plymouth Creek Center. Also, Only Plymouth residents should get to vote because they are paying the taxes.
I would like to see some pickle ball courts and indoor track where you are not dodging stray soccer balls.
Thank you for providing this survey to assess priorities and support!
Our family doesn’t use the current facility at all. Maybe we’re just not aware of what’s there. If there are already a a lot of people using this facility
then I suppose I’d support investing more tax dollars to improve it. But don’t improve it on my account.
More information is needed on the length of the proposed tax increase. Is it a one time assessment or are we paying this until we die?
Focus shouldn't be on seniors, but instead children's activities.
More gym space and walking track!!!!!
It was unclear to me if the annual tax rate would end or be permanent.
The indoor playground would be awesome!
I would like to see a space with a floor that is conducive and available for tap dance.
Total waste of taxpayer dollars.
We need more indoor turf fields.
For the indoor playground, I'd love to see it as fee free for residents. If that isn't possible, I think that because of tax funding, there should be one
day a week or a couple days a month that are free and open to the public, similar to the Children's museum's once a month "Free Saturday" (third
saturday, maybe?). This would help include all Plymouth residents and families who may not be able to afford regular trips but still pay for this with
their taxes.
Charge a fee of $10 per month.
I'd like to see the city / council consider developing some community space at the former Four Seasons Mall space. This space has been dormant
for too long and development proposals to-date have been ill-suited to the site and/or the community needs. A vibrant, but sometimes-neglected,
portion of Plymouth lies east of 494. There are many young families as well as a growing senior community in this area.
Limit user fees at the facility for residents
If approved, the gymnasiums need to have open gym time and not just always be scheduled for organized basketball leagues.
Very supportive of funding for youth and family programming
With the steadily growing community here I believe improved and expanded facilities are justified and necessary. Other facilities in Maple Grove
and Shakopee with new gymnasium/activity spaces seem to thrive in hosting tournaments, practices and leagues. I’d think this large and
expanding community and all of the the teams/clubs/events here would help provide a steady revenue stream.
Need a cheaper option for adult gym, and gym space for kids to run around in the winter
It isn't necessary to increase taxes for a building that is used by such a small amount of people. We are over taxed already. Perhaps this building
can be built with the enormous park and recreation budget.
This is a community want, not a need. As such, it should not be funded with taxpayer funds especially as most are likely to benefit significantly
from this project. The city should be able to fund this with existing funds if they feel the need is that great.
Our family believe a children’s outdoor swim area (I.e. spashpad) would be appropriate for a city the size of Plymouth. There are no public outdoor
swimming pools in all of Plymouth.
Apartments would pay nothing?
Add a running track!!!
Improve indoor track to include clearly marked, dedicated running lanes or at least marked passing room and pull-off space.
It just seems a bit too ambitious and comprehensive when there are other places at least as appropriate or more appropriate for some of these
activities.
I don't believe in spending government funding on entertainment activities. This is not as important as keeping roads clean of snow, fixing
infrastructure etc.
Property tax question should have more realistic categories. $1 to $50 us too broad for mw a Senior. I would be willing to pay no more than $20
annually in add’l property tax. Funding should also come from user fees
I would feel much better about using my increased property tax to support this project if we could make sure there are times for Plymouth
residents to utilize it (specifically the indoor playground) without additional costs. i.e. free use for Plymouth residents since we will already be
paying for it in a different way. As a comparison, if my taxes went up about $90 per year I could have used that $90 to visit Brookview Backyard
almost 20 times during the year for the same cost (that's assuming Creek Center would be free to visit). There are plenty of other options, public
and private, that cost money. It would be wonderful to have an option that is free.
Please add 3 or more gyms. This would help accommodate not only more options for the gyms (i.e. using one gym for badmiton while the other 2
are open for basketball), but this would provide a larger walking track! A larger walking track would also accommodate more people on the track at
one time. I would suggest that adding 2 gyms is a complete waste...adding 1 gym or 3 gyms makes the most sense. Lifetime has 2 gyms and that
setup is horrible if one gym is being used (fitness class, birthday party, kids daycare, etc.)....the gym next to it has too many people on it then to
make it useful for any type of "open gym". It mind as well also be closed since it is so packed.
I honestly didn't even know what was offered at the city center- I only knew that it was where I went to vote and I’ve lived in Plymouth for 8 years.
Though, if families are using and benefiting from programs there Im willing to pay for it.
Business sponsorships should be a part of this funding as well.
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OUR TAXES ARE ALREADY TOO HIGH.
We are going to be entering a recession at some point in the short term. This is a project that should be put on hold for 5 years. The current
facilities will suffice.
I believe that to the extent practicable, appropriate fees should be charged to users to at least partially cover the cost of services and facilities
This is an important resource for our community and I support it.
We are retired and on a fixed income. Please don't keep raising our taxes.
I strongly support this project and would encourage you to think smarter about the parking being built. Loads of surface parking is poor design for
our watersheds and environment. I know it would cost more but what about a ramp with a green or solar roof. We need to start being willing to
invest for the longterm. Moving the track away from the fields is well needed and will increase use of both.
Plymouth takes such pride in their Parks systems and yet we have the WORST Baseball field at the High School and Legion level. Go to some of
these towns and they have beautiful parks that are huge draws and NOT embarrassing. Between Wayzata School District and Plymouth Parks we
need to have a decent Ball Park facility before renovating a 20 year old Community Center
it seems like way more than needed
Indoor pickleball courts for Plymouth would be important to have
Would love pickleball courts.
I think it would be a great opportunity for kids sports. There always seems to be a shortage of space when it comes to that.
Look at all the other surrounding communities, they have added amazing gym space. Bring people into the community which increases business.
Center is fine as is!
Our family mainly uses the field space for Lacrosse and the walking track. We have used the theatre space and taken classes held there in the past
as well. I appreciate the community center for the spaces they have available for different groups to utilize.
My family would not use any of the facilities and wouldn't like addtional property taxes to fund them. Seems to me you should have done this
instead of leasing land to Lifetime Fitness 20 yrs ago.
Don’t do this much at once. Phases would be better. It is too much at once and too much money. Taxpayers do not need an increase in property
taxes.
Would like it to be for all ages, but my personal "want" is for dedicated fitness class space (especially twice-weekly yoga classes).
Most of the proposed plans already exist in our community. Might be better to subsidize memberships to Lifetime or something different. I'll be
disappointed if I'm forced to pay for something that already exists in other forms.
This is long overdue and will be of great benefit to the community
This is an important improvement to PCC
Charge club sports teams, wayzata school or other clubs to use facility. Charge membership fee for walking track, etc
This is a financially unwise project! Yes, everyone would like to see it happen & it would be a "nice to have" city amenity. But at what cost? We are
retired & 75% of our retirement income is SS. We make too much to see our property taxes reduced, but too little to see our taxes increase $135
per year because our home value has increased to $500K due to inflation. While it's nice to see the value of the home increase, it is only a paper
increase (no cash income) that causes my property taxes to increase & cause a real cash outflow. My current City taxes are $1283 annually. You are
proposing to increase this by $135 a year or 10.5% JUST FOR ONE CITY PROJECT. Are you nuts? So 100% of the City's 80K residents will see their
City taxes go up 10.5% while what % will benefit from this project; 10% -20% of the City's residents? Why should 100% of the residents subsidize
at a huge cost & penalty a benefit that will be realized by only a relatively small %. My VOTE is a resounding NO!!!!!!!!!
I am supporting the project because I am interested in a facility where I could play pickle ball during the Winter months, when we cannot play
outside
The indoor playground seems like an expensive waste of space. Do not see this as a needed feature.
If we are already paying for improvements via tax increase, Plymouth residents should not need to pay entrance fee. (Outside visitors and parties
will pay for staffing)
Seems like a large price tag.
We don't use the facility much any more. Used it for a couple kids parks and rec week classes
No matter the amenities, I expect the areas will be well staffed by positive and professional individuals. Thank you for your work.
Need gym space and an indoor running track with more available hours than the current dome allows.
Nice to have, but not enough value for me to support. I don't NEED the things you want to add.
While I love the idea of a new improved PCC, we are cost-conscious in our household, and hope that the city will be, too. Please be cautious
increasing our taxes. Thank you.
We are taxed enough, at what point do we look to prioritize funding instead of just always adding to the property tax.
Allow Homeowner Associations (HOAs) in Plymouth (all of which would be inherently composed of current Plymouth taxpayers) to have use of a
meeting room at the Center at no cost for up to one meeting per year.
We don’t really use the center as it stands today. And even if we did use something in the future, it’s still going to cost us money on top of the
property taxes charged so I would rather keep it as is and use one of the many other options nearby for indoor play that would cost less total.
It would be cheaper for me to go to LTF.
It would be GREAT if the new center included indoor space for DOGS. The winters are so long and it's hard on the coldest days to get outside with
our furry friends. There are so many dogs in Plymouth, I believe this would be an incredibly popular option for residents. It would be great to have
the capability to bring dogs on the indoor walking track, perhaps if you included in your plans some dog-friendly amenities like separate "lanes" for
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those walking dogs, easy access to an area for "relief", etc. You could pay for this by charging a small fee to any walkers who are not Plymouth
residents. This would be such a fun option & I think very popular with people!
The proposed increase at the value of our home is significant and knowing that this increase would stay in place forever feels inappropriate for the
use that we would make of the facility. Our use would be negligible on an annual basis.
Our two person household doesn't currently use or attend anything at this facility. However, I do feel it is good for the city of Plymouth. Some of the
questions were difficult to answer with those very different aspects in mind.
It seems there is enough at the center already - Rooms are usually available, and the current track is fine for walking, or people can use the malls
free. And people shouldn't have to pay more in taxes to fund expansion. All over town, the city playgrounds are upgraded when unnecessary, and
very rarely really busy. I think we should try to make use with less instead of more more more.
What you are looking to do from a renovation is completely inadequate for the youth population. You need more gyms/training facilities for all
youth. To pay for what you are proposing is a joke
Tech infrastructure should be considered too. Basic AV for meetings would be nice, but allowances for outside AV vendors should be considered;
meetings, weddings, parties, etc can require cabling around the perimeter of a room and over doors. Accommodating this in advance can keep
maintain and aesthetic without limiting tech usage. I am willing to consult at no cost on this if interested. 7634588512
I have two soccer players. And it would be very beneficial if the dome would stay up through the month of April. Winters are changing, it seems, in
Minnesota and most practices in April are canceled because of wet or snowy fields.
Most families are two income families. Most won't use the indoor play ground for kids during the winter. Most are in daycare already! Play in the
snow...yes even if 10 below. I survived as kid and loved it!!!! I have such fond memories of cold Minnesota winters. We are raising generations of
wimps. Norway has a saying.......there is no bad weather, only bad clothing. Please yes do update the wedding area! Paint, clean, update as you
would your home. But the state doesn't need to fund families that can't afford to pay for gym memberships. We have plenty of Art places to visit in
the cities already. Taxes are for roads, schools, etc. Not this.
Community amenities are important. My family would especially use an indoor playground - we currently travel 20 minutes or more to go to indoor
playgrounds in neighboring cities in the winter. One within a 5 minute drive would be amazing.
Important to have year-round facilities for youth
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Special City
Council
September 5, 2019
Agenda
Number:2.2
To:Dave Callister, City Manager
Prepared by:Laurie Hokkanen, Administrative Services Director
Reviewed by:Steve Juetten, Community Development Director
Item:Amend date to consider amendments to Site Plan and
Conditional Use Permit for Oakwood Elementary School, 17340
County Road 6 (Wold Architects & Engineers – 2019055)
1. Action Requested:
At the August 27, 2019 City Council meeting, this item was tabled to October 8, 2019. Since then,
staff has met with ISD 284 officials to formally outline our concerns and request that the ISD 284
address them in writing. With this in mind, the Mayor has called a Special Council Meeting with
representatives of ISD 284 (Finance Committee) on September 10, 2019 at 5:00 p.m. at which time
the Council may wish to consider action on this item. If the Council agrees to amend the date and
consider on September 10, there would be no obligation to act that evening, but Council would have
the option to do so.
Approval requires a 4/7 vote of the City Council.
2. Background:
On August 27, 2019, the City Council considered this item and tabled it to October 8, 2019. Two
residents spoke and raised concerns about the loss of the playfield. City staff responded to City
Council questions regarding costs that will be incurred by the city to relocate ballfield lights and
other infrastructure. The City Council directed staff to work with ISD 284 to better understand the
impacts on the lease agreement and future collaboration on recreation facilities.
On August 7, 2019, the Planning Commission conducted the public hearing and subsequently voted
4-1 (Witt voting nay) to recommend approval of the project. The applicant was present in support of
the request. In addition to the applicant, three residents spoke at the meeting. The Plymouth
Wayzata Youth Baseball Association representative expressed concern that the premier field for
baseball would be removed and requested that the school district assist them to find another field
of this size. The two other residents expressed concern over the loss of the ballfield and the
additional traffic that the early learning school would create. The applicant responded that the start
times of the school will be staggered so that both programs do not start/end at the same time, and
that this would be a site improvement for traffic flow.
While the project is permissible from a Planning and Zoning perspective, it raises questions
regarding the status of the lease agreement with the city and the ability to collaborate on park and
recreation programming. The City currently has a lease agreement with Wayzata School District for
use of the Oakwood Playfields. The agreement allows the City to construct and operate recreation 56
facilities on the Oakwood property for use by both the school district and the community. The
School District has not provided construction timeline information for this project. Construction
prior to the agreement prior to May 31, 2020 would be a violation of the agreement.
A copy of the Planning Commission meeting minutes and report is attached.
Notice of the public hearing was published in the City’s official newspaper and mailed to all
property owners within 500 feet of the site. Development signage remains on the site.
3. Budget Impact:
N/A
4. Planning Review Deadline: *
October 12, 2019
5. Attachments:
August 27 Council Minutes
Planning Commission Minutes
Planning Commission Report
Resident Letters
Site Map
Aerial Photo
Notification Map
Plans
Resolution
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Proposed Minutes Page 1 of 3 Regular Meeting of August 27, 2019
Consent Agenda
Motion was made by Councilmember McGregor, and seconded by Councilmember Willis, to
adopt the Consent Agenda that included the following items:
(6.01) Council Meeting minutes from special and regular meetings of August 13 and special
meeting of August 20.
(6.02) Resolution Approving Disbursements ending August 17, 2019 (Res2019-235).
(6.03) Approve CDBG Consolidated Annual Performance and Evaluation Program.
(6.04) Resolution Approving Conditional Use Permit and Variances for Robbinsdale School
District (ISD 281) at Armstrong High School, 10635 36th Avenue (2019045 -Res2019-236).
(6.05) Resolution Approving Preliminary Plat and Final Plat for Watermark Properties, LLC for
“Beacon Ridge 3rd Addition” (2019052 - Res2019-237).
(6.06)Resolution Accepting Utilities for Continual Maintenance for Creekside Hills 3rd
Addition (2018007 - Res2019-238).
(6.07)Resolution Approving Encroachment Agreement for a Paver Patio and Deck within the
Drainage and Utility Easements on the Property located at 14325 44th Avenue North (Res2019-
239).
With all members voting in favor, the motion carried.
Public Hearings
There were no public hearings.
General Business
(8.1) Amendments to Site Plan and Condition Use Permit for Oakwood Elementary
School, 17340 County Road 6 (Wold Architects & Engineers – 2019055)
Senior Planner Sommers reported on this item.
In response to questions from the Council, Senior Planner Sommers, Community Development
Director Juetten, and Park & Recreation Director Evans provided the following information:
Further detail regarding the determination for parking needs.
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City requires 165 parking spaces but 432 are proposed.
The number of parking stalls proposed is consistent with the studies the school
district has conducted.
The existing ballfield on site would be removed in order to provide the additional
parking and infiltration ponds.
Staff has had discussion with the school district about parking and removal of the
ballfield and finding alternatives.
The biggest financial impact to the City is removal of the lighting at the ballfield
and relocating the poles to a different site (estimated $200,000).
The City’s investment on that site has been over a million dollars.
Details of the current joint power agreements with the school district that expire
May 2020. Staff has been in conversation with the school district and is awaiting
a response.
Programming scheduled for this ballfield will need to be relocated.
The maintenance joint powers agreement has expired, and the City is performing
the maintenance without an agreement.
Jon Deutsch, Director of Facilities -representing the applicant, provided the following
information in response to questions from the Council:
The school district will be maintaining the stormwater ponds.
The details of traffic ingress and egress from the site.
The right-in-only off County Road 101 has been changed to add the outbound
movement.
The east parking lot is meant primarily for employees, and the added space is
needed to accommodate a new system for student drop off.
There is a financial stipulation in the current joint powers agreement if the district
were to leave the agreement early. That amount is still be determined.
Mayor Wosje detailed his meeting with the school district.
Motion was made by Councilmember Willis, and seconded by Councilmember Roehl, to table to
this item to October 8 which would provide opportunity for the City and school board to meet.
Mr. Deutsch discussed the school district’s attempts to find alternatives for removal of the
ballfield and commented regarding the breach of the joint power’s agreement.
David Cade, 1760 Garland Lane North, provided comment regarding traffic at the site and
expressed concern regarding the plan and loss of the ballfield.
Joe Fusaro, 16600 45th Avenue North, representing Plymouth Youth Baseball Association,
explained there is a shortage of ballfields already and the potential loss of this mid-size field
makes the shortage even a bigger impact. He spoke of their investment with the current ballfield.
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City. The Council stressed it’s very difficult for the City to plan for programs and facilities when
there is little communication from the school district. By tabling action on this item this evening,
it would allow additional time for the school district to have necessary dialogue with the City.
There being no further discussion and with all members voting in favor, the motion carried.
(8.2) Site Plan and Conditional Use Permit for a Senior Housing Building for Property
located at 3025 Harbor Lane (Augusta Development, LLC – 2019048)
Community Development Director Juetten reported on this item.
In response to questions from the Council, Community Development Director Juetten and City
Engineer LaBounty provided the following information:
The existing structure on this site will be destroyed.
The details of stormwater maintenance.
Bo Nickoloff, from Augusta Development, spoke of the changes made to the site plan. He noted
that these will be market rate units, but there will be affordability options.
Eric Reiners, from Sperides Reiners Architects Inc., expressed excitement at seeing the project
get underway. He provided further detail regarding the construction materials of the balconies.
Motion was made by Councilmember Carroll, and seconded by Councilmember Willis, to adopt
a Resolution Approving a Site Plan and Conditional Use Permit for Senior Apartment Building
on Property located at 3025 Harbor Lane North (Res2019-240). With all members voting in
favor, the motion carried.
Reports and Staff Recommendations
City Manager Callister noted the September 10 study session at 5:30 p.m. has been cancelled.
Adjournment
Mayor Wosje adjourned the meeting at 8:45 p.m.
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Sandra R. Engdahl, City Clerk
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Planning Commission Meeting
August 7, 2019
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chair Marc Anderson, Commissioners Bryan Oakley, Julie Witt, David
Witte, and Justin Markell
MEMBERS ABSENT: Commissioner Donovan Saba and Jaspreet (Jesse) Narr
STAFF PRESENT: Planning Manager Barbara Thomson, Senior Planner Kip Berglund, Senior
Planner Shawn Drill, Senior Planner Lori Sommers, and Senior Engineering Technician Trevor
Quast
OTHERS PRESENT: Councilmember Ned Carroll
1. CALL TO ORDER - 7:00 P.M.
6. PUBLIC HEARINGS
D. WOLD ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS (2019055)
Chair Anderson introduced the request by Wold Architects and Engineers for a site plan
amendment and conditional use permit amendment to allow for a building and parking expansion
and related site improvements at Oakwood Elementary School located at 17340 County Road 6.
Senior Planner Sommers gave an overview of the staff report.
Commissioner Markell stated that it sounds like the reason for the parking increase is the Early
Learning School that is being built. He asked if that use is being relocated. He also asked the
timing for the project.
Senior Planner Sommers confirmed that the applicant would like to relocate the facility to this
area. She said she was unsure on the timing, but noted that the contractor would like to begin in
September.
Commissioner Oakley asked and received confirmation that the parking requirement is for the
existing building and proposed building with future uses.
Commissioner Witte asked for clarification on the orientation of the site plan.
Senior Planner Sommers replied that the property is outlined in red and all of the construction
would happen south of the tennis courts.
Chair Anderson referenced the joint powers agreement that expires in 2020 and asked for details.
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Senior Planner Sommers stated that she does not know the details,but indicated that the City is
working to renegotiate the details with the school district.
Park and Recreation Deputy Director Northway replied that the park department does have
concern with loss of green space for residents and youth sports associations. She noted that the
loss of the fields may have a ripple effect on other associations. She stated that there has been an
investment in infrastructure for the sports fields from the City and sports associations. She stated
that if the City would have known the greenspace would be removed, the City would have
perhaps acquired park land in another location. She confirmed that the agreement expires in
2020 and was a 20-year agreement, which contained two, ten-year terms.
Commissioner Markell asked for clarification on the joint powers agreement and how that would
impact the school district’s use of its property.
Senior Planner Sommers stated that within the agreement there are various clauses, scheduling
and maintenance needs, parking lot requirements, and insurance requirements. She stated that
either party can terminate the agreement with a 30-day notice and that would require a payment
of a certain percentage of the infrastructure that would be removed.
Chair Anderson briefly recessed the meeting.
Chair Anderson reconvened the meeting.
Chair Anderson introduced John Deutsch, representing Wayzata School District, who stated that
he is present to answer any questions.
Commissioner Oakley stated that the analysis in the staff report indicated there are a number of
aspects of the plan that do not comply with city requirements. He asked if there is a problem
complying with any of the requirements.
Mr. Deutsch replied that he does not have any issues complying with those items.
Commissioner Witt stated that there was a valid point from the park staff. She noted that this
seems to be a short-term decision, rather than a long-term, thought-out plan.
Mr. Deutsch stated that there is currently an early learning location in a non-district owned
location, which creates challenges, and therefore the decision was made to change that location
to this district-owned property. He noted that this is a large site that would have expansion
ability and could also share services, rather than purchasing additional land. He stated that this
process has gone on for about six to nine months. He confirmed that this would not add
elementary students or bussing as early learning families drop off and pick up their children,
which requires additional parking.
Chair Anderson asked if there is anything the school would be willing to do about the loss of
fields.
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Mr. Deutsch stated that they have added fields and greenspace at other locations in recent years
and would be open to additional discussions.
Chair Anderson opened the public hearing.
Chair Anderson introduced Joe Fusaro, 16600 45th Place, representing Plymouth Wayzata Youth
Baseball Association, who explained that they are a nonprofit organization that serves the youth
in the community. He noted that they have a great partnership with the City and the school
district. He stated that this project will remove a premier field for the association. He also stated
that when they made the $30,000 investment for the batting cage, they were under the
understanding that this was a long-term agreement between the City and school district. He
asked that the school district help to find a location where another field of this size could be
created.
Chair Anderson introduced Kate Miketic, 1845 Holly Lane, who stated that 19th Avenue and
County Road 101 is an extremely busy intersection and was horrified to hear that there would be
additional traffic. She asked if there would be any plans to mitigate that additional traffic. She
echoed the comments regarding the loss of greenspace and fields. She stated that she is not
convinced that turning greenspace with heavy use into a traffic heavy site would be the best use
of the property. She stated that some of the buildings are two stories and said she would be
interested to see where the shadows fall.
Chair Anderson introduced K. Hainlin, who stated she lives on the north side of 19th Avenue, and
that she is a parent of two children that went to this school and loved the environment. She
stated that her children also used the ballfields and was upset to see that the fields would be lost
to parking stalls. She said she was concerned that this request is being pushed through so
quickly. She stated that if other residents were aware of the size and loss of ballfields, they
would most likely be present too. She stated that this would be a significant loss to the
neighborhood.
Chair Anderson closed the public hearing.
Mr. Deutsch stated that he cannot speak to the two smaller fields as the City programs those
fields. He noted that the woods to the north contain wetland. He stated that there is only one
baseball field being lost; the others will remain.
Commissioner Oakley stated that the baseball field is being taken by parking.
Mr. Deutsch replied that the building is very close to encroaching on that field.
Commissioner Oakley asked if the parking could be moved to the north to save the field.
Mr. Deutsch said he was unsure what the domino effect would be.
Park and Recreation Deputy Director Northway stated that if the baseball field were potentially
saved, that would disrupt other fields/sports. She explained that the parking therefore was
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Commissioner Oakley noted that the applicant stated that the baseball field is one of two fields
that is readily available in the city, and he asked the number of softball fields there are Plymouth.
Park and Recreation Deputy Director Northway replied that softball fully utilizes all the existing
softball fields. She stated there is very little extra space in the city as the population continues to
grow.
Commissioner Oakley asked if the city or softball association has investments in that space.
Park and Recreation Deputy Director Northway confirmed that the softball association has made
donations in that location.
Commissioner Witte stated that the reason sports associations make donations to the City is that
the City does not have funds for the improvements, and the users of the space therefore make the
donations. He stated that if this field is going to be lost and additional space is needed, those
comments should be forwarded to the City Council.
Mr. Deutsch stated that the starting time of the early learning school would be staggered with the
elementary school so that both programs do not start/end at the same time. He noted that this
plan will be a site improvement for traffic flow as well. He stated that some renderings were
done with shadowing throughout the design process, but he did not have that information with
him. He was unsure if the addition would cause larger shadows than the media center addition
constructed six years ago. He said he was unsure of the financial details as those would be
handled through the business office. He stated that in terms of noise, the existing playground is
on the similar side of the building, and he would not anticipate a change in noise levels.
Chair Anderson asked if there are plans for signalization at County Road 101 and 19
th Avenue.
Senior Engineering Technician Quast replied that he has not heard any discussion of a signal at
that location.
Commissioner Oakley stated it appears that this request complies with all zoning requirements
and asked if it would also comply with the City’s comprehensive plan.
Planning Manager Thomson stated that she could not think of any issues of noncompliance.
Commissioner Oakley stated that he would like to see further discussion between the City and
school district about the loss of the field. He stated he does not think that the commission could
do anything but approve the request as submitted because the proposal complies with all the
zoning requirements.
Chair Anderson commented that the softball and baseball associations should be a part of that
discussion as well.
Commissioner Witt echoed the comments of Commissioner Oakley, noting that it is intriguing
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is thoughtful and strategic in their planning and was curious as to the hurry. She stated it is
interesting that there is no planning in regard to the playfields and partnership between the
school district and City. She said she believed that breaking ground in September would be too
fast and suggested that be delayed, allowing additional discussions between all parties.
Commissioner Witte stated that he would be supporting the request, but hoped that the school
district, City and interested associations continue to have discussions and look at creating
additional fields.
Chair Anderson asked if a condition should be added requiring at least one meeting of those
parties prior to the City Council meeting.
Commissioner Markell said he did not believe that would be appropriate. He thanked those that
spoke tonight, but noted the lack of people speaking against the topic. He noted that comments
were made from only one association tonight. He stated we are all residents of a community that
is growing rapidly and because people have children that they would like to have attend schools
in the Wayzata school district, the school district in turn needs to accommodate that growth. He
stated that the parking lot is serving the purpose of the education of children and the decision
should be left to the school district as to how best to use its property for education rather than
greenspace.
MOTION by Commissioner Witte, seconded by Commissioner Markell, to approve the request
by Wold Architects and Engineers for a site plan amendment and conditional use permit
amendment to allow for a building and parking expansion and related site improvements at
Oakwood Elementary School located at 17340 County Road 6. Vote. 4Ayes, 1 Nay (Witt
voting Nay). MOTION approved.
7. NEW BUSINESS
8. ADJOURNMENT
MOTION by Chair Anderson, with no objection, to adjourn the meeting at 9:09 P.M.
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File 2019055
PLYMOUTH COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT
PLANNING AND ZONING
STAFF REPORT
TO:Plymouth Planning Commission
FROM:Lori Sommers, Sr. Planner (509-5457) through Barbara Thomson,
Planning Manager
MEETING DATE:August 7, 2019
APPLICANT:Wold Architects and Engineers
PROPOSAL:Site plan amendment and conditional use permit amendment for a
building and parking expansion and related site improvements at
Oakwood Elementary School
LOCATION:17340 County Road 6
SCHOOL DISTRICT:Wayzata (ISD 284)
GUIDING:P-I (Public/Semi-Public/Institutional)
ZONING:RSF-1 (Single Family Detached 1)
REVIEW DEADLINE:October 12, 2019
DESCRIPTION OF REQUEST:
The applicant is requesting approval of a site plan amendment and conditional use permit
amendment for the construction of a 44,000 square foot building addition for a two-story Wayzata
Early Learning School and offices, new gymnasium and parking expansion at Oakwood
Elementary School.
Notice of the public hearing was mailed to all property owners within 500 feet of the site. A copy
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CONTEXT:
Surrounding Land Uses
Adjacent Land Use Guiding Zoning
North Single Family Homes LA-1 RSF-1
Southeast Apartments LA-4 RMF-4
East Single Family Homes LA-1 RSF-1
South
(Across County Road 6)
Oakwood Square Shopping Center
Apartments
Single Family Homes
C
LA-4
LA-1
C-2
RMF-4
RSF-1
West (Across County Road 101)Commercial Use
Apartments
C
LA-4
C-2 & PUD
RMF-4
Natural Characteristics of Site
The site is located in the Minnehaha Creek drainage district, but is not located in the shoreland
overlay district for Minnehaha Creek. The site has a medium-quality wetland located on the
northeast corner of the site. The expansion project would not impact the wetland. No portion of
the property lies within a floodplain.
Previous Actions Affecting Site
Oakwood Elementary School was constructed in 1982.
In 1995, the City Council approved a site plan amendment and conditional use permit amendment
for a new front entry and two school additions.
In 1995, the City Council approved a site plan amendment and conditional use permit amendment
for a parking expansion at the central services facility that is located in the northwest portion of
the Oakwood School site.
In 1995, the City administratively approved a site plan amendment to allow a permanent swing set
on the playground and a plan modification for installation of mechanical equipment and a
screening wall.
In 2005, the City Council approved a site plan amendment for a bituminous drive aisle on the
southeast side of the school to be used for a student drop-off and pick-up zone.
In 2007, the City Council approved a site plan amendment and conditional use permit amendment
to allow a building and parking lot expansion.
LEVEL OF CITY DISCRETION IN DECISION-MAKING:
The City’s discretion in approving or denying a site plan amendment is limited to whether or not
the proposalcomplies with the comprehensive plan and zoning ordinance requirements. If it meets
these standards, the City must approve the site plan amendment.
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The City’s discretion in approving or denying a conditional use permit amendment is limited to
whether or not the proposal meets the standards listed in the zoning ordinance. If it meets the
specified standards, the City must approve the amendment. However, the level of discretion is
affected by the fact that some of these standards are open to interpretation.
ANALYSIS OF REQUEST:
Site Plan Amendment
The zoning ordinance contains specific standards for approval of a site plan amendment for
development in the RSF-1 (Single Family Detached 1) zoning district. Staff used these standards
to review the proposal. The specific standards that apply are as indicated on the following table.
Standards for the RSF-1 District
Specified Proposed Complies?
Building Height –Early Learning:35 ft.31.25 ft.Yes
Building Height –Gym:35 ft.35 ft.Yes
Building Height –Office:35 ft.13.33 ft.Yes
Building Setback -Early Learning:
--Front (South)50 ft.265 ft.Yes
--Side (East)25 ft.63 ft.Yes
Building Setback –Gym:
--Front (West)50 ft.220 ft.Yes
Building Setback -Office:
--Front (South)50 ft.160 ft.Yes
--Side (East)25 ft.265 ft.Yes
Parking Setbacks:
--From Lot Lines:20 ft. (min.)85 ft.Yes
--From Building:10 ft. (min.)7 ft.No
Drive Aisle Setbacks:
--Front (along County Rd. 6)20 ft. (min.)55 ft.Yes
Drive Aisle Width:26’26’Yes
Parking Spaces:129 (min.)432 Yes
--Stall size 18.5’ x 9’18.5’ x 9’Yes
Landscaping:44 28 No
Lighting:
--Fixture Height 30 ft. (max.)25 ft.Yes
--Lumens/sq. ft.2.5 (max.)Unknown No
--CRI 70 (min.)70 Yes
-- CCT 4100 (max.)4000 Yes
--Backlight, Uplight,
Glare (B.U.G)
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The requested site plan amendment involves a 44,000 square foot building addition for a two-story
Wayzata Early Learning School and offices, new gymnasium, parking expansion and related site
improvements. Improvements include the following new playgrounds for Oakwood and the Early
Learning School:
Ages 0-2 Playground (approx. 6,000 square feet)
Ages 3-6 Shared Play Space (approx. 15,000 square feet)
Grades 1-5 Oakwood Playground (approx. 9,000 square feet)
Hard Play Space (approx. 10,000 square feet)
The proposed parking lot layout would provide a new queuing lane for parent pick-up/drop-off
traffic that is anticipated to reduce the traffic backups at the County Road 6 driveway entrance, an
improved fire lane design around the building and stormwater infiltration ponds. The plan also
provides for new site and building lighting and sidewalks for improved pedestrian circulation.
Parking
The parking requirement for an elementary school is three parking spaces per classroom with
adequate space provided for the dropping off and/or picking up of students as determined by the
Zoning Administrator. The school currently has 28 general classrooms. There are also various
rooms for music, art, computer lab, and intervention classrooms for an additional 5 classrooms.
The applicant is proposing 10 additional early learning classrooms and one infant room in the
addition. At this time, the second floor of the early learning addition will be offices, but in the
future they could be used for an additional 11 classrooms. Consequently, the City regulations
require 165 spaces for this use.
In anticipation of consolidating the school district’s early learning
programs into Oakwood Elementary School, the applicant has
provided a parking analysis of existing facilities and anticipated
future parking needs. The total number of parking stalls at the
existing facilities is 400. The total number of parking that is
anticipated based on input from each program leader is 440-480
parking stalls. The applicant indicates that scheduling adjustments
will reduce the peak parking demand.
The four existing parking lots on the site currently have a total of
226 stalls for cars. Two additional parking lots are proposed as part of the project: a southeast
parking lot and an east parking lot. The southeast parking lot would contain 58 stalls and the east
parking lot would contain 142 stalls. Both would be used for the early learning school. There
would be minor changes to the other parking lot. The total number of stalls proposed (432) would
exceed City parking requirements.
Access
Access to the site would not change.
Car Parking Counts
Parking Lot Existing Proposed
North 67 71
Northwest 79 81
South 43 43
Southeast (new) 0 58
West 37 37
East (new) 0 142
TOTAL 226 432
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Parks
The applicant is proposing to remove an existing ballfield on the site in order to provide parking
and infiltration ponds. The infiltration ponds arerequired because of the added impervious surface
to the site.
The ballfield is currently being used for baseball, softball, soccer, and football. The Plymouth
Wayzata Youth Softball Association (PWYSA), Wayzata Plymouth Youth Football Association
(WPYF), and Fusion Soccer Club have written letters expressing concern over the loss of the field
(see attached) and negative impact to the number of children they will be able to serve in the area.
The Parks and Recreation Department has a joint powers agreement that expires in 2020, that was
created to have the City program, schedule and maintain the park area of the school. The City has
spent time and resources on putting in infrastructure on this leased land that includes the athletic
fields, irrigation, light towers, fencing, dugouts, and trail. The City did not anticipate future loss
of this park space, had that been a potential, the City may have purchased parkland elsewhere
instead.
Building Materials
Section 21115.03, subd. 1 of the zoning ordinance specifies general standards for building
construction. The building addition would be finished with brick and stucco to match the existing
school. The additions would also include precast walls for the gym addition that would blend with
the existing color palette of the building. The proposed building materials would comply with
ordinance requirements.
Lighting
The project is located in light zone 2 (LZ-2) and must meet the requirements under section
21105.06 of the zoning ordinance. The applicant submitted a lighting plan showing the proposed
location, mounting height, and proposed lighting output. Additional information and fixture
details are required in order to determine backlight, uplight and glare (B.U.G) ratings. A condition
is included in the attached resolution stating that a revised lighting plan and fixture details that
meet requirements for exterior lighting in LZ-2 are required prior to the issuance of a building
permit.
Landscaping
The ordinance requires 44 new trees in conjunction with this project. Under the plan, 28 new trees
would be provided. The proposed number of plantings would not comply with City regulations.
A condition has been included in the attached resolution addressing this matter.
Stormwater
The City of Plymouth’s water quality requirements state that if one acre or more of new impervious
surface is disturbed,then the City’s requirements would need to be met. A condition in the attached
resolution requires that the plans be reviewed and approved by the Engineering Department, and
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Impervious surfaces presently cover 9.2 acres of the site. The plan shows an imperious surface
coverage of 12.1 acres, for an increase of 2.9 acres.
Conclusion on Site Plan Amendment
With the proposed conditions, staff finds that the proposed site plan amendment would comply
with all City regulations.
Conditional Use Permit Amendment
The applicant is requesting approval of a conditional use permit amendment to allow a two-story
addition for the Wayzata Early Learning school and offices. The building addition would allow
for nine new classrooms and one infant room, and administrative offices for the school.
The Planning Commission must review the requested conditional use permit amendment with the
seven conditional use permit standards listed in the zoning ordinance. A copy of the standards is
attached. Staff used these standards to review the application and finds that the request meets the
applicable standards as follows:
Comprehensive Plan: The property is guided P-I (public/semi-public/institutional). The
comprehensive plan considers schools to be complementary uses in the P-I district. Schools are
an allowable conditional use in the RSF-1 (single family detached 1) district and would, therefore,
be consistent with the comprehensive plan.
Public Welfare: The proposed use could be detrimental to the general public health, welfare,
morals, or comfort. The loss of public open space and recreation facilities within the City is a
concern.
Impact on Surrounding Property: The proposed use would not be injurious to the immediately
surrounding properties or to the city as a whole. There is concern with the loss of the multi-purpose
ball field and the impacts to the Parks and Recreation Department’s activity programming and to
the various youth associations that use the field.
Orderly Development: The proposed use would be located within a fully developed area and
would not impede any improvements to any surrounding properties.
Public Facilities: The subject site is adequately served by public facilities.
District Regulations: The proposed use would comply with the regulations of the RSF-1
zoning district.
Performance Standards: The proposed use would not alter the previously approved site plan
and access would be available to serve the proposed use.
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RECOMMENDATION:
Community Development Department staff recommends approval of the site plan amendment and
conditional use permit amendment for Wold Architects and Engineers for building and parking
expansion and related site improvementsat Oakwood ElementarySchool, subject to the conditions
listed in the attached resolution.
If new information is brought forward at the public meeting, staff may alter or reconsider its
recommendation.
ATTACHMENTS:
1. Draft Resolution Approving Site Plan and Conditional Use Permit Amendments
2. Letter from Plymouth Wayzata Youth Softball Association
3. Email from Wayzata Plymouth Youth Football
4.Email from Fusion Soccer Club
5. Location Map
6. Aerial Photo
7. Notification Area Map
8. Applicant’s Narrative and Site Graphics
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SITE
County Rd. 6
County Rd.10120190055
Oakwood School Addition
Request for Site Plan Amend. & CUPA
19th Ave. N.
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Greenway North
18405, 18515, and 18535 County Road 47,
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Oakwood School Addition
Request for Site Plan Amend. & CUPA
19th Ave. N.
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18405, 18515, and 18535 County Road 47,
6035 Troy Ln N, and 5945 Troy Ln N
Request for Requiding and Sketch Plan
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CITY OF PLYMOUTH
RESOLUTION NO. 2019-
RESOLUTION APPROVING SITE PLAN AMENDMENT AND CONDITIONAL USE
PERMIT AMENDMENT FOR OAKWOOD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
LOCATED AT 17340 COUNTY ROAD 6 (2019055)
WHEREAS, Wold Architects and Engineers has requested approval of a site plan amendment and
conditional use permit amendment for a building and parking expansion and related site improvements
at Oakwood Elementary School, at 17340 County Road 6, legally described as follows:
That part of the West ½ of the Southwest ¼ of Section 29, Township 118, Range 22, described as
follows: Beginning at a point in the East line of the West ½ of said Southwest ¼ distant 410.00
feet south of the Northeast corner thereof; thence south along said East line 1282.56 feet to the
centerline of County Road 6; thence Westerly deflecting to the right at an angle of 95 degrees 35
minutes along centerline a distance of 100.48 feet; thence North parallel with the east line of the
West ½ of said Southwest ¼, a distance of 326.85 feet; thence at a right angle West 425 feet;
thence at a right angle South 293 feet to the centerline of said County Road 6; thence deflecting
to the right at an angle of 93 degrees 59 minutes along said centerline, a distance of 809.67 feet
to the West line of said section; thence North along the West line of said section 1414.52 feet to
a point therein distant 143.82 feet South of the Northwest corner of said Southwest ¼; thence
Easterly deflecting to the right at an angle of 77 degrees 22 minutes a distance of 419.53 feet to
an intersection with a line parallel with and 66 feet South of the North line of said Southwest ¼;
thence East along said parallel line to a point 105 feet West of the East line of the West ½ of said
Southwest ¼; thence South parallel with the East line of the West ½ said Southwest ¼ a distance
of 344 feet; thence East parallel with the North line of said Southwest ¼ a distance of 105 feet to
the point of beginning, Hennepin County, Minnesota.
WHEREAS, the Planning Commission has reviewed said request at a duly called public hearing.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT HEREBY RESOLVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF PLYMOUTH,
MINNESOTA, that it should and does approve the request by Wold Architects and Engineers for a
conditional use permit amendment for a building and parking expansion and related site improvements
at Oakwood Elementary School at 17340 County Road 6, subject to the following conditions:
1. A site plan amendment and conditional use permit are approved to allow a building and
parking expansion at Oakwood Elementary School in accordance with the plans received by the
City on June 14, 2019, with additional information received on June 27, 2019, except as may be
amended by this resolution.
2. Prior to issuance of the building permit, the applicant shall fulfill the requirements, submit
the required information, and revise the plans as indicated below, consistent with the applicable
city code, zoning ordinance, and engineering guidelines:
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a. Complete a site improvement performance agreement and provide the related financial
guarantees and fees pursuant to Section 21045.10 of the zoning ordinance.
b. Revise plans to provide a ten-foot setback from the gym to the parking lot.
c. Revise the plans to show a total of 44 new trees on the site.
d. Revise plans to show accessible routes and accessible parking spaces near accessible
entrances.
e. Revise plans to show painted sidewalks to link the east parking lot and east playground
to the main sidewalk.
f. Revise plans to show fencing around playground areas and proposed ponds.
g. Obtain city approval of final construction plans.
h. Obtain watershed district approval.
i. Obtain Hennepin County Health Department approval.
j. Obtain city approval for lighting plan and fixture details for exterior lights in lighting zone
2 (LZ-2).
3. Revise the plans to meet fire requirements as follows:
a. Identify all existing hydrant locations, water main locations and sizes, post indicator
valve location and fire department connection location.
b. Note that additional hydrants may be required.
c. Submit fire flow calculations.
d. Submit gate opening and closing operations. Fire department approval is required.
e. Show all fire lanes and drive aisles shall be a minimum 20-feet wide, paved, 7-ton
capacity with surmountable curbs at each entrance to the new east fire lane.
f. Show all approved fire lane signs are required in approved locations and at the fire
department connection location.
g. Show a sign at the fire department connection.
h. Submit turning radius proof in the west bus parking lot.
4. Revise the plans to meet engineering requirements as follows:
a. Any storm water BMPs will need a maintenance agreement.
5. Silt fence shall be installed prior to any construction on the site.
6. All construction parking shall be located on-site.
7. All mechanical equipment shall be screened as required by section 21130.05 of the zoning
ordinance.
8. Standard Conditions:
a. Compliance with City’s sign regulations.
b. Any subsequent phases or expansions are subject to required reviews and approvals per
ordinance provisions.
c. The site plan amendment shall expire one year after the date of approval, unless the
property owner or applicant has started the project, or unless the applicant, with the
consent of the property owner, has received prior approval from the City to extend the
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expiration date for up to one additional year, as regulated under section 21045.09 of
the zoning ordinance.
d. The conditional use permit shall expire one year after the date of approval, unless the
property owner or applicant has started the project, or unless the applicant, with the
consent of the property owner, has received prior approval from the city to extend the
expiration date for up to one additional year, as regulated under section 21015.07 of the
zoning ordinance.
APPROVED by the Plymouth City Council on this ____ day of __________________, 2019.
STATE OF MINNESOTA)
COUNTY OF HENNEPIN) SS
The undersigned, being the duly qualified and appointed City Clerk of the City of Plymouth, Minnesota,
certifies that I compared the foregoing resolution adopted at a meeting of the Plymouth City Council on
_________________________, 2019, with the original thereof on file in my office, and the same is a
correct transcription thereof.
WITNESS my hand officially as such City Clerk and the Corporate seal of the City this ________day of
______________________, ____________.
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City Clerk
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